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I agree with that, and if you read my original post a little bit prior, first thing I said is that the thing I hate about this draft is that KC is gonna get a good WR prospect too. Im just saying, of all the WR's I fear the most about going to KC its Ladd. He is the kind of player that could flourish in a system like that. I personally think he is one of the most complete WR's in this draft and not only does he have one of the highest ceilings, but he also has one of the highest floors and is on of the safest bets to at least be a quality player opposite Rice. But yes, getting OUR GUY, the one we feel is the best fit for us, is the top priority. I do think that if Thomas is on the board he would be the pick, but I am skeptical he gets to us without a trade up. If he is gone, then Ladd and Mitchell I think are the two most likely choices. I would not rule out a 2nd WR in the 2nd, but I think they would have to have him as the clear BPA and just love the guy given the amount of holes we need to fill and the overall depth of the WR position in this draft. Beane does go BPA, but he has also repeatedly said they also weigh depth of said position in the draft if the rankings are close. So if say a DT, DE, or S is there in the 2nd that is closely graded with the WR that is BPA, he almost certainly goes that direction and look to add another WR later possibly. There are going to be good WR's found in this draft on day 3 no doubt.

Honestly Ladd McConkey landing in KC terrifies me. I really think this kid has a Cooper Kupp like ceiling and a very how floor. He is who I want at 28, although I wouldn't be upset with Mitchell either. And if Ladd makes it past us, I would bet good money he lands in KC as he would be a perfect fit there as well and that isn't going to be good for anyone.

Here is what I hate about this draft… There are going to be multiple exciting WR prospects on the board when we pick and one of those is going to land with KC…and I’m worried that it’s going to be Ladd who I love in this draft and will go on to be a stud in KC. I think Thomas would be the pick if he made it to us, but I think he goes before our pick. So my pick is Ladd or AD. I’d be happy with either, but I have a stronger feeling about Ladd who I think has a lower floor than many of the other WRs with one of the highest ceilings in the draft.

I think it’s great and doing exactly what it should do.

I mean this is their job. Someone has to pay their salaries to do it. I think the issue is that the main public doesn’t understand how much it costs to make content and to keep getting that content there has to be some sort of monetization of that content or they won’t be able to keep making it.

Not only do I think WR will be early, but I also think they are likely going to add a 2nd one on day 3. Yup, I think this was obvious to most While I agree he is not a lock, I also wouldn't read too much into the language. I mean his phrasing makes sense the way he said it given the events he was discussing were past tense as in what he brought to the team this past season after we traded for him. Beane was clearly talking about the impact he made, which was in the past, hence the past tense type phrasing. Now there is no ignoring the Bills cap situation and the cap savings, but Bills also gave up a quality pick to get him that felt like it was more than a 1 year rental. We also have big question marks in our secondary as it is with Hyde gone, Tre coming off a 2nd major leg injury (potential cap casualty cut himself), Benford oft battling injuries, and Elam still unproven. Then there is Poyer who himself could be cap casualty. So if I had to guess today, I still think the more plausible scenario is they extend Rasul and let him stabilize the cornerback position. I wouldn't be that surprised if they did cut him for cap savings, but I think between what we gave up for him and the value he showed on the field, keeping him on an extension makes more sense to this secondary. I would cut Tre before I would cut Rasul, and I love Tre, but 2 major leg injuries and still have no idea how he responds to this second one gives me less confidence than if Rasul was out there. Yeah, I think you nailed that description based on what he said. I totally agree on this too as I do think Spencer gets extended, and OL I think would only come into play late in the draft, if at all, given how this group played last year and how many other holes this team needs to fill.

But the cap isn't real...as so I have read on this board lol

Maybe you meant this for someone else, because I have said all along we are going to likely sign one, possibly 2 vet WR FA's. What I have said is I do not think we will be signing any of the top WR targets like a Mike Evans that gets mentioned so often here, unless of course one of them wants to play here cheap for a ring. But Mike already has a ring, so I doubt he goes anywhere cheap to chase a ring. The impact player at WR is going to be someone we target via the draft. And I do think its possible we draft 2 WR's given that this is a rich draft, Diggs is getting up in age, and any vet FA signings are likely to be short contracts.

Maybe I misunderstood you. I read your post as if you were mocking people for picking other players to patch holes during FA rather than sign a big time WR. And my counter to that was to that is because this is a WR rich draft and we are much more likely to pursue that big WR upgrade in the draft than FA. Although since then, the cap came out even higher than expected, so maybe it makes Beane more interested in a pricier WR FA. But still think it’s most likely gonna come from the draft.

You can't catch what isn't thrown to you. Is it really on Knox that Dorsey had no idea he was on the roster until late in 2022 when suddenly he remembered Knox was coming off a 9 TD season (where he was also woefully under used by Daboll) and started using him the redzone again to a high degree of success. But he was too often relegated to trying make up for a bad OL and used as an extra blocker here. And now that we have a better OL, we also have Kincaid whose specialty is as a receiver, so it again keeps Knox value more often as a blocker. His contract made sense when he got it if he was going to be a fixture in the offense, but his contract now currently exceeds his current role which is more heavily as a blocker with Kincaid here. Look at SF. Kittle wasn't producing anything in 2022 with Jimmy G at QB because Jimmy was a statue and Kittle was constantly used as a blocker. Then Purdy comes in and suddenly has pocket mobility and escape the rush on his own and poof Kittle becomes a major weapon in that offense has a big finish to the season. I am not saying Knox is on Kittle's level, but I am saying Knox is capable of much more statistically as a receiver if he could just get the targets. He could easily be playing up to his contract from an offensive stand point if he was in an offense that actually used him consistently as a weapon and gave him targets. Regardless, because of his current role and reduced targets combined with his contract, I do think Knox could be a trade target. They can bring in a much cheaper TE to fill a heavier blocking role in FA or even draft one. Unfortunately for Knox, his contract is now expensive for what his likely role will be again this year.

You have this wrong, at least for the bulk of this board because you are missing the point that most people understand Beane can't really (and likely isn't) spending big on a WR in free agency, and that we will certainly address WR in this deep WR draft where we have like 10 picks to land probably 2 prospects with one early and another in the mid rounds. We don't have the cap luxury of going out and paying a top FA WR. So its not at all that people are concerned with "patching" holes to ignore WR, its that we can patch a lot of those other holes cheaply in FA elsewhere and aggressively address WR in the draft as well as other young talent to hopefully compete or develop into starters at those other patch spots. And not only is that what everyone else is thinking, that is almost certainly exactly what is going to happen. Beane is not spending big on a FA WR...we are MUCH more likely to sign someone like a Noah Brown than a Mike Evans then go get a WR in round 1 or 2 depending on how the draft falls and probably another between rounds 3 and 5 again depending on the board falls. Free Agency should be to "patch" holes then you look for your young big upside talent in the draft and hope you find someone that both contributes this year and develops into a succession plan for Diggs.

Give me: DT DaQuan WR Noah Brown Then grab some combo of another DT a DE and a S.

Hate this. We need a new punter and used a draft asset to get him. Could have easily brought him back and got value on that draft pick still. And having a guy with his leg and athletic ability in poor weather conditions would have also been nice. Does it mean we are doomed…no…just a clear missed opportunity to add young competition cheaply at a spot we need more competition and recoup some value from the pick we invested in him. The rub is that he is with Chiefs now and will get his shots at getting back at the Bills for not at least bringing him back after he was cleared.

3/17 isn’t gonna change anything because the neither the Bills or Diggs wants a trade. So unless something major happens behind the scenes, Diggs is gonna be a Bill in 2024. Not to mention this team can’t afford to take the dead cap hits regardless when the dead cap hits.

My condolences to the family, this is a horrible loss and my heart goes out to the family. Donated as well.

Evans would be interesting, but I don't think they are going to go after any of the bigger WR names. Not only do we have a WR1 still in Diggs, but Shakir is set to take a large WR role this year and Kincaid showed he was worth the hype. Between those 2, we already have a strong first 3 reads for Allen. This draft is very WR heavy, so I think they are going to go after a rookie who can start opposite Diggs early in the draft with the potential to become a WR1 to succeed Diggs, then add another prospect somewhere else in the draft. I do think they will still bring in a vet, maybe 2 and Samuel is the type of Vet I can see them bringing in (not saying it will be him specifically).

That is rich coming from you lol...especially for someone who is obviously desperate to be taken serious around here after lots of previous nonsense yet can't help himself and revert back to nonsense like gas lighting and manipulating a narrative while ignoring the facts.

Or...simply get rid of the cryptic nonsense in your title and just name the thread appropriately to be "Could the Bills trade Diggs if the right trade was available" or something than falsely painting Diggs in a negative light despite his very NON cryptic matter of fact statements that he wants to retire a Bill, hopes to remain here, and that Josh is family. You take no responsibility for manufacturing a false narrative for clicks...nor any responsibility for the many posters who now have this false idea Diggs wants to be traded and is cryptically trying to force his way out. In fact that nonsense has already reared its head in other threads now and will do so all year. So someone has to remind people about the disservice you do the board when posting false narratives that spread false info across the board for your own LAMP post.

Personally, I still think Baker ends up back with the Bucs on a like a $35-37M per type deal.

lmao...this thread still going huh? Diggs: I want to retire a Bill, I hope I get to stay, Josh is family. Beane: Diggs is absolutely still a WR1 and shows no interest in moving on from him. So then TSW: Diggs is cryptic and is forcing a trade and Bills are going to do it despite the fact it will destroy their cap and neither Diggs or Beane seemed to want a trade. TSW Offseason Logic never disappoints. Its amazing to me how many people here just fall for media click bait beating a dead story over and over again. Anything can happen, so a trade is not impossible, but all indications have been no trade both publicly from those involved and just the overall math of the cap situation Bills are in and the cap hits in all trade scenarios around Diggs. For a trade to happen, there would really need to be something insurmountable on the back end between Diggs and the team. And until something like that surfaces, a trade seems pretty far fetched for a team looking to win this year.

Well that is not that weird actually. It is not always about whether a player can play or not, its also a lot about fit. We run an offense that has a lot of WR options combined with the fact that Allen also improvises and extends plays a lot. And there are 3 levels to that: 1) Our receivers need to win their routes early so Allen can get the ball out before having to use his legs to extend a play. And that is a combo both of the offense being run and the receiver running the routes. 2) When Allen does extend the play, he needs cerebral players out there who can see the field, adjust, and get to an open spot for Allen. 3) There needs to be a chemistry between Allen and the receiver for the WR to know the option to take and Allen to be aware that he his taking that option even before a move has been made. Like I said in a previous post, Gabe can play, but that doesn't mean he is the best fit for the offensive scheme and the make up of the WR group. Gabe is best as a downfield threat give his route tree. But he is lacking in a lot of the other areas making him kind of one dimensional and to easily negated from a game as a WR. He still brings value as a blocker, but his fit as a receiving weapon here is inconsistent because this offense demands more from him to be consistent. If Gabe got the targets, he could put up a big season as a downfield weapon. But the type of WR this offense and Allen will benefit more from is a guy who wins his route consistently and all over the field, not just down field. A WR who can adjust and find a soft spot for Allen when he extends plays. A WR who can see a defense alignment and know the option that Allen is going to expect him to take and get there. So, IMHO a guy like Gabe could be scary in KC because they are a team that is elite at scheming guys open according to their strengths. KC is also elite at using a bunch of guys underneath between their TE and RB's too on plays where maybe Davis doesn't get open to still give Mahomes places to go with the ball. For me, its time to go another direction and let Davis go in FA as his cost will exceed his value in terms of fit for this team. And the timing is perfect with such a WR rich draft coming and having Diggs and 2 young emerging weapons in Shakir and Kincaid to build around too. BUT...I do think Gabe could be a dangerous weapon in the right situation like say a KC.

This is pretty much where I am at too. Mixed feelings is the best way to describe it. On one hand, he has had many big catches and moments. He has been a tenacious and unselfish player on doing the dirty work. He has at times been our best deep threat. Then on the other hand, 2022 felt like a regression of sorts, although the injury to his ankle was said to be a culprit. Then this year not only did it not feel like a step forward, but it seemed like him and Allen chemistry declined on the field and were not on the same page like they should be at this stage. And I think a BIG part of that was our OC's in Dorsey then Brady. Dorsey had issues getting our guys in the right positions as it was and Brady shifted to utilizing the run game more and a short to mid attack, all of which minimized Gabes value to the point he got a game ball for blocking in a game he had zero catches and zero targets. Gabe can play. But, its not always about can a guy play, its also about fit. And Allen needs someone with a bigger route tree, trusted hands, and who is cerebral out there to make the on the fly adjustments needed to play with a QB like Allen who extends plays so many times a game. So while Davis had his moments here, long term, the investment it would take to keep is better used elsewhere on the roster and we look to a WR rich draft to fill this WR room out around Diggs and Shakir. Too many people get caught up in the #2 Receiver having to be a WR2 boundary reciever, and that just isn't accurate. With Diggs at WR1 and Shakir and Kincaid capable of being the next top 2 targets, we are in good shape heading into a WR rich draft. IMHO, Diggs is not going anywhere this year, and I would say he is here at least this season and could still finish his career here too. So I would say Diggs has got 1-3 years max left in Buffalo, and so they need to find someone who can ascend to that WR1 position and I think they will take 2 stabs at it this draft and take 2 WR's to bolster the room around Diggs and Shakir and then likely add a veteran FA or two as well. And as far as Gabe goes, I do think that if he saw the targets he could hit 1300 and 13 TD's in the right situation because he is a down the field big play type WR. But I also don't know that the offense he was in would be very efficient either given his value and efficiency in other areas of the field is not on the same level as his down field game. Either way, I wish him well as he has been a great unselfish teammate and player for the team while he was here, well except in games he is playing us of course lol.

Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video. Ive been critical of him too, but your response here is way off base.

I saw this on Gabe’s Instagram tonight, but then found someone who posted to Twitter too, so posting both links in case it’s easier for someone to watch one over the other. Kind of looks like he is putting this out to both highlight his time here and promote his accomplishments ahead of Free Agency. Smart move. Even though I’ve been in the camp to let him go and draft a WR this year, this was still a fun watch and he has brought some big moments and games to his time in Buffalo. He makes a good case for himself at the end with the stats and rankings combined with the low targets compared to others. Overall this is a great piece for himself ahead of free agency and so enjoyed it and I wish him well. Link to video on Gabe’s actual account: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3jSE3WMeRO/?igsh=ZDE1MWVjZGVmZQ== Someone reposting it on Twitter:

Fair point, but he also was on pace for 13 sacks before all the injuries around him. And again, other guys were getting sacks, and as a team we had the 4th most. Lot of people had these same concerns about Oliver too.