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I didn’t say he’s starting, but doesn’t mean he’s 4th string

And how do you know he is CB4?

Or…it’s possible you’re reading too much into this final preseason game considering they have been giving 3 guys looks at CB2 and that the order they played today may not be an indicator of final depth chart. It could be, but we don’t really know. They also could be showcasing one of the other DBs for a potential trade and getting them work. So before we jump to conclusions, I’d prefer to see how it plays out and what week 1 depth chart looks like.

I agree with that, but I wouldn’t classify it as that if he splits some time with Dane/Benford in different schemes. He’s already the better CB than them at press and man, but the other two are good corners themselves. So if they decide to use Elam where he is is strongest and using the others while Elam is continuing to improve in the other areas, I don’t see anything wrong with that.

I think this is what people miss on this topic. They look at it that if Elam doesn't win it then it means Elam was not good, which isn't the case, he has had a good camp. Its just that we have 3 guys all having good camps at the same position. Which to me is a good thing. Personally, I think CB2 is going to be less about who starts and more about defensive calls and matchups. I can see for example Elam out there more on press/man coverage and Dane or Benford more zone for example. So I am not convinced that whoever wins CB2 is going to dominate the snaps like Tre does in regard to "starting".

Anyone who claims Allen lacks leadership literally knows nothing about Allen as countless players have talked about his leadership and not being like anything they have been around before.

Playoff record is a product of the NFC being the weaker conference compared to the AFC over the same period.

No disagreement that our backups aren’t much better likely, but I still would not want to spend a 4th to get someone who couldnt beat out Sam Darnold as the backup for the team that spent 3 first round picks on him. All for it if he’s cut though where we aren’t risking a good draft pick on him.

Just referencing that outside MIlano, Dorian has reportedly had the best camp of any other LB so far. So it’s both that Dorian has seemed to have had stood for positive reasons and had a solid or strong camp and the other LBs over at the MIKE have not stood out as much and the pecking order is still up in the air.

This is pretty right, but without Ramsey, I think the Bills have the slightly better overall CB group, we are just deeper than them. With a healthy Ramsey I think its fair to say Dolphins. I do think the better roster even without factoring in the QB's is the Bills, and its not close if you add in QB's because Allen is a lot better than Tua. But the roster in Miami is still also still good overall, but their OL is a mess and they have a QB who gets a concussion when he gets a papercut. So without those two criticial areas improved they will not be a better football team than the Bills IMO. I mean they are the 3rd best roster just in our own division. Jets hype is legit...that D is no joke and they got the weapons on offense as well. Biggest achilles heal is the OL. Ive seen Rodgers play on some good teams with bad OL's and it held those teams back, so hoping that repeats itself some here because they to me are a real threat if not. Dolphins not so much.

Yeah, there are some age concerns obvious at Safety and of course Von. Tre is still needing to prove he is back as well. But I will say these positives in regards to these concerns. We are deep at Safety, DE, and CB. More importantly all reports on Tre have been pretty great and that he looks ready and back to form, of course we still need to see it when the real games get played, but reportedly hes had a great camp and there is reason for optimism there. Von is the biggest question mark, but I feel a lot better about that thanks to the addition of Floyd bolstering the pass rush if Von isn't ready right away or doesn't get all the way back to form. Floyd and Groot are guys I have confidence in bringing pressure still. So while these concerns are valid, I think our depth and reports on Tre so far ease those concerns for the time being, at least until we see this unit full bore on the field. I, like most, am greatly more concerned about the MIKE and if anyone can step up there. If it is an issue during the season, I hope they don't wait too long on trying Milano out at MLB and Dorian at OLB as so far Dorian has played like he is the 2nd best LB on the roster right now, so they may to get him on the field and move Milano over if MLB is a trainwreck as move along in the season.

Legit question…How is worst case scenario him being a solid backup? That’s the best case scenario. The team that invested 3 first round picks in him didn’t think he was a solid backup and chose journeyman Sam Darnold over him as the backup. He has not shown anything yet to suggest he can even be a solid backup. So worst case is that we waste a 4th round pick on him and he is worse than what we have and he is cut. Best case is he is a solid backup behind Allen, something he’s get to prove and just failed to achieve with the team that drafted him and invested a ton of draft capital in him.

Absolutely not for a 4th. He lost his job to Mr. Irrelevant and then got beat out by a QB who sees ghosts and flopped as a starter since he’s been in the league and is now on his 3rd team in the last 3 or 4 years. So no way am I giving up a 4th for a guy who couldn’t even win a backup job with the team that drafted him. If he was cut, sure bring him in to compete. But we need our picks with our cap limitations moving forward, not risking a decent pick on a QB who’s yet to show any potential and couldn’t beat out Sam Darnold as a backup.

A lot of teams starters are playing this week, don’t see the need to over analyze this and read into it doom and gloom reasoning

Again, you avoid the question of what specifically should Beane have done this off-season given he spent the most resources on the OL including drafting what might be a future star player in O’Cyrus. You can’t just say trade for a star player. One has to be available. We have to have something they want. We have to afford them. So who were they supposed to trade for that was available, we wanted, could afford, and had what that team wanted back in trade? If you can’t name those players, then your trade for a star player option doesn’t exist. And as far as Dion goes, you do realize he made his first pro bowl last year right? This was despite how bad Saffold was next to him and the struggles of the rest of the OL. So you’re being dramatic about Dion without any context to how he actually played last year which was not a lot different than his career rankings. Biggest question mark is Brown, but staff also has confidence in him still after the injury issues last year are hopefully behind him. They gave up too soon in Teller, so no surprise they are going to give Brown a chance to lock the spot down now that he is healthy.

Fair option, but he wasn’t graded as the 88th player or he would have gone earlier than 111. Clearly teams scouting had a lower grade than internet graders did. And no sacks in preseason doesn’t mean a ton as lots of guys look good in preseason against vanilla schemes and backups and guys who won’t make rosters. So he may end up being very good, just saying it’s a bit early to play the hindsight game based on just preseason performance. But, playing the hindsight game in terms of our needs and just being a rookie prospect on the OL is fair game. So thanks, this was certainly a viable option, especially if Dorian remains a backup to MIlano. We are very thin at LB though with only MIlano a proven commodity who’s has some injuries himself. So it’s not like LB wasn’t a need, so it still makes sense if they had a higher grade in Dorian to take him. We will see if it was a wide or poor decision of course. So far, I think both look promising. For the record, I’m not a Brown fan and wanted a new RT myself and would have been good taking Dewand too, even though I didn’t think they would go after a RT based on the confidence they expressed in Brown before FA and Draft.

We have cap issues, low end FAs is a reality of that. Your answer about taking Dewand Jones was a fair point and legit option, making a splash in FA with all the other holes on this team was not realistic.

Well considering he’s looked like the 2nd best LB on the team so far, they are going to need to consider moving Milano over to MLB and Dorian to WLB sooner rather than later if one of our other guys can’t secure the MIKE sufficiently enough. Hopefully Bernard comes back and shows better than Dodson has so far , but until he or someone else steps up better at the MIKE, I don’t think our defense is better with Dorian on the bench behind MIlano.

Its because they have multiple times referred to him potentially playing MLB for us. They specifically stated they are starting him off behind Milano so he wouldn't have to learn 2 positions as a rookie. I don't know why you keep ignoring the fact they have directly referenced him potentially being a MIKE for us, which they have done multiple times including after the draft and heading into camp.

If Beane didnt think OL was a problem then why did he make more moves at OL than any other position, including drafting one of the top OL prospects in the draft? I mean this question doesn't even make sense.

Come on man, talk about being unreasonable and whiney just to be whiney. What did you think was gonna happen? Did you expect Beane to trade for 5 picks in the first 2 rounds to rebuild every OL spot in one offseason? We signed guys in FA and then drafted one of the best OL prospects in the draft who has looked the part so far as well. These threads are dumb. If you’re going to start one then at the very least post what SPECIFICALLY Beane could have done different this offseason. I mean he made the most moves on OL than any other position on the team this year.

Well to be fair, Cook's season last year was on par with his past 4 seasons, so statistically there isn't any significant sign of that. In fact, of the 2 RB's its Taylor coming off a down year and a late season injury. Again, not saying Cook is better than Taylor, just saying that the difference isn't significant enough to where the Dolphins would pass up paying Cook peanuts to now give up a first round pick and a lot more money to Taylor. With Miami's cap situation coming up, it just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to invest that much into a RB, especially when they still have a good RB group there as it is. They didn't bite on Cook who was trying to go there and who fits their offense better, so just saying I am skeptical they are going to be players for Taylor at what he is likely going to cost in trade and contract.

New QB and new OL take time to find rhythm usually. Granted this QB is an all time great, but signs of OL issues have already been surfacing in practice and scrimmages with Rodgers already showing some reserved frustration. There is no denying their offense is better with Rodgers, I just think it’s possible it could take a few games before they start clicking more. But yeah, there are certainly obstacles for the Bills too. The game could go either way, they are both talented teams. But this is also a statement game for the Bills too. They need to show they are still a force in the AFC after the let down vs the Bengals and show the division still goes through Buffalo.

Jets OL deficiencies keep their offense from getting rolling week 1 but good D play keeps Jets in it until a late Bills score to go ahead 27-17 and put the game away.