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Come on, Allen literally single handedly lost us the week 1 Jets game with 3 INTs. Then Allen sat most 4th quarter of the second game against Jets in a blow out win. So to assume Lamar repeats his struggles in the second showing against them is just silly when you just watched Allen have a bad game and good game against a divisional foe. The only thing Allen has a case for is more TDs. But that’s is NOT the basis of determining the MVP. Bottom line is Ravens had a better season, Lamar was less volatile, Lamar had stellar stats himself, and Lamar had less games where he hurt the team than Allen did. And you didn’t answer my question of why does Allen deserve over Lamar outside of TD total

Why is Allen more deserving? Because people want to cherry pick 2 "season total" stats that lack context week to week where he leads in total yards and total TD's? He also leads in total Interceptions and total turnovers too. MVP is not an award for most passing stats. Lamar played in one less game than Josh, but still put up 29 total TD's to just 7 INTs and 4500 total yards. Yards they are about the same as Josh has just over 300 more total yards, but he also played one more game than Lamar. So odds are they finish pretty close had they played same number of games. So literally, the ONLY case for Josh is "15 more TD's" but Josh also had 15 more turnovers than Lamar which significantly eats away at the 15 more TD's argument. And if Lamar plays one more game that 15 TD's gap shrinks a little as Lamar likely adds at least 2 or 3 more to his TD total, possibly more. Bottom line, Lamar put up 4500 yards in one less game and 29 TD's. His efficiency was better and he hurt his teams effort to win games far less than Josh did. I love Josh who is my fave player all time now...I bet on him to be MVP...I would love nothing more than him to be MVP. But he just isn't more deserving this year than Lamar.

No disrespect, but there seems to be some selective memory going on here because you seem to forget that the offensive struggles of Allen and the offense were a key reason the defense, which was decimated by injuries compared to our mostly healthy offense, was in that position in the first place.

He isn't winning the MVP because he isn't the most deserving of it. Him not making the Prow-Bowl however was egregious.

Ive got some trivia for you: POINTS PER GAME: How many points PPG did the Bills offense avg in the final 6 games under Dorsey? How many points PPG did the Bills offense avg in the first 6 games under Brady? ANSWER: 20 for Dorsey, 28 for Brady. You know how hard it is to improve offensive scoring by 8 points? COMMON OPPONENT: JETS How many PPG did offense avg vs Jets in Dorsey's tenure? Who many Points did offense score in Brady's only game vs Jets? ANSWR: 17.5 PPG in 3 games for Dorsey going 1-2 with both losses to Zack Wilson. 32 Points for Brady with the starting offense sitting the majority of the 4th quarter in a blow out win. You mention about the defense not holding in a couple of games, however, you overlook how decimated the defense was with injuries and the offense was perfectly healthy in those games. YET the ONLY reason our D had to hold on a final drive was because our offense STUNK and couldn't score against some of the worst teams in the league. Dorsey was lucky to not be 0-6 in those final 6 games as we should have lost both the Giants game and Bucs games on the last plays, but those teams screwed it up. Meanwhile, Brady led offense helped this team go 6-1 over the hardest stretch of games of our season while Dorsey was 2 plays away from being 0-6 against the SOFTEST portion of our schedule. Brady still has a lot to prove, but there is NO QUESTION that Dorsey EARNED his firing and the team has been BETTER off with Brady at OC.

The only thing Tyler accomplished with that article is getting a paid subscription from @Airseven Thats it.

Bahahaha I feel you, the stupidity of some of the comments on Allen by "fans" is from a contingent that doesn't seem to know much about football. I do really think Gabe made the mistake, even his break wasn't crisp or urgent, almost like he didn't know where to go. Allen clearly expected him to turn around and sit on the route or comeback. Easy TD if Gabe does and I would have won $1280 on my props parlay, so real pissed at Davis. But the most telling thing for me, and I believe @Einsteinposted it as its own thread, is that nearly 40% of Allens INT's the past 2 seasons are on throws to Davis. There is something definitely not quite right in their communication, and given it happens at a much much higher clip with Davis than any other one individual, its hard not to think its more Davis than Allen. And Allen threw that before Davis made the break...again. So clearly Allen felt he was gonna do something different again. So I am kind of hoping we get to see the offense this next week without Davis as it was a night and day difference yesterday when he left the game.

No. He doesn't deserve anymore attention for his biased scorned ex gf level hit piece that dooche wrote.

This also makes sense on that, and went back and rewatched the play and I can see where you are coming from with this and quite possibly this is the likely reason he came off the read. At the time it looks like Allen does come off the read, its hard to see that TE is gonna come open. And I agree, hard to fault Allen there on a 4th down to come off a read that looks like it won't be there when you must make a play. And in that case, that only further makes his INT the correct decision. What has blown my mind is that every person talking about this game on TV has not once referenced that INT was on 4th down and it was a net positive play and in fact the mistake was NOT the INT thrown, but Miami's mistake of actually catching it and taking a big net loss on field position. Instead they just say it was a god awful throw and bone head move by Allen which tells me they don't really know what they are talking about (something we always knew anyway) most the time, don't bother to even watch the post game interviews where Allen literally said that is why he heaved it too so to both give us a chance at either a TD or better field position if someone intercepts it. So good post, I think you are correct about your breakdown of the first part of that play

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While I agree as I am of the mindset is to be more aggressive, the rule of thumb is you can’t take points off the board. No coach wants the ball in play outside of the endzone unless the player has either a clear path to get out of bounds or a clear path to endzone. So doing so took points off the board and is gonna oiss off the coach. Me personally, the way we moved the ball, confidence in our D against Tua, and us getting ball at half made me comfortable with the risk and giving our guy a shot to score. But it’s overall the incorrect move as 3 points is better than the 0 points we got

Well Kudos to you sir, that’s a classy move to go find this yourself and bring it to the forefront again. I honestly forgot about this great convo we had and I’m double impressed that you both remembered it and went and found it on your own. Yes, technically I won the bet, but in reality I don’t think either of us really come out of this being right or wrong. Sherfield wound up buried behind Diggs and Davis here, and with 2 TE sets, Kincaid even when not in a 2 TE set, Shakir, and our RBs the reality became that Sherfield wound up more buried here really than Miami. The biggest issue really was Davis value as a blocker on runs and screens just never took him off the field. So Trent got very few snaps, but I’m glad he made the biggest one of the season matter this weekend. So here is what I propose…I think we both had some things here that were right about, and this was about as close to a draw as you can get without being an actual draw. I’m willing to call it a draw, or if you still want to make a donation then since I’m willing to call it a draw, then it’s really your conscious decision to make a donation so it should be to a charity of your choice and in your name. Again, class act and look forward to next one

I am fully convinced that Allens throwing shoulder is compromised to some degree with an injury that hasn't been able to heal as he is playing through it. 1 - He has come up short on a lot of higher degree throws he can only make or few others can make that usually flick off his wrist with ease. 2 - He is off on deep shots, either short or way too long like he is over compensating to make sure its not short. 3 - He is has fired an uncanny amount of lasers in short area throws that are harder for guys to catch which makes me think he is over compensating too much, hence the extra force. I can't say with 100% certainty of course, but I think its a pretty sure bet. We do know he has banged up his shoulder this year in multiple games now and he has been seen clinching and releasing his fist after big hits on the ground on his throwing arm because he has aggravated something in that throwing arm. We also had that guy who said it was originally hurt week 1 in the 1st quarter. So the other times during the season could be more linked to aggravating that original issue which would make sense and track. I think this is why his deeper shots have been off or led to some of the turnovers. He has had multiple ones where he just didn't get the ball all the way there or was a bit late on a tight window. He has multiple ones where he over compensated on a short throw with a laser that was on target but went off guys hands and got tipped to a defender. But 2 things are true for Josh: He is tough as nails and he doesn't make excuses. So I don't think we will hear the details of what he played through until this offseason and it wouldn't surprise me if we find out he has some minor procedure done too. And this will make what he and the team accomplished this year even more impressive if we get it confirmed he played through a throwing arm injury for part of or nearly all of the season.

The mistake was bailing on the primary read of the TE to the left flat too early and rolling right away from the pressure. There was a first down there had he fired that pass but pressure came quick on that side. But the INT is 100% the correct move, Josh even said that was his thought process to at least give the offense a chance to make a play or give their defense a chance to make a MISTAKE of CATCHING the INT because Miami much better off just knocking the ball down and getting much better field position from the turnover on downs.

Doesn't look as bas as it did this year...and this year it wasn't as brutal as we thought. Our issue this year was we lost to the bad teams we should have spanked early on because we had an inept OC who needed more experience for being ready to head this offense and got out coached way too easily.

Josh didn't have a bad "game" but he did have a bad first half. However, its also maybe not as bad as it appears either...none the less, he has no case for MVP. Turnover 1 - To me, this feels like another miscommunication by Davis. I do find it interesting that 38% of Josh's INT's are on attempts to Davis. They are just not on the same page, and it was another situation where it is hard to tell who was right or wrong. Davis just needs to plant and turn around and easy TD. But also, he is open when he broke right too. So hard to say is that a Josh mistake or Davis mistake. Turnover 2 - The INT was not the issue, in fact, at that point the INT was RIGHT decision and Miami screwed up catch it as it was essentially a punt given that any incomplete pass or other failed conversion gave Miam the ball back with much better field position. The true mistake here was bailing to early on his flat read to the TE on the left for the easy first down and rolling right and putting himself in a spot where the best decision was heave it and either hope for a TD or hope for an INT so Miami gets worse field position. Josh even said so himself. So the INT was the correct decision at that time, but Josh did miss the opportunity for an easy first down at the start of the play to the left, so that is the real mistake here, not the INT. End of half missed points - This is 100% on James Cook, sorry that was a perfect pass in the endzone and Cook once again drops a perfect dime for a TD for the 3rd time now in like 3 or 4 games. Sure, we can blame Josh for not putting the ball in the endzone on that last attempt, but if you watch the replay it looks like if Josh hits him he can get in, so I don't hate him being aggressive there, Miami just made a great stop. Ideally, you want to see us get at least 3 there, so the option was to just throw it away, but I don't hate the aggression either given the proximity to the goal line on where the ball was delivered. But none of this should have mattered, Cook took the points off the board. Second half though, outside a strip fumble, which was a great play by a talented player, Josh had a pretty stellar 2nd half and he willed us to a win multiple times late in that game with his legs.

Lamar is, and should be, the MVP. The MVP award is not for who has the most passing stats.

The issue wasn't the tush push...the issue was they didn't actually do the tush push. On the previous one, they outsmarted Miami and Josh LEAPED over the pile on a would be tush push and caught them by surprise. The mistake was going back to the same well on the next attempt on the same drive. The moment Allen jumps, thats it, no more momentum or much of a push. The real push is NOT coming from the guy pushing on Allens butt, its the power in Allens legs to drive forward where then the push adds more to it. When Allen is in the air on top of a pile against monster DL and LBs, their stength is MUCH greater than just some RB pushing on Josh's butt. So the first leap was brilliant, the second one in a row when they were now expecting it and prepared for it was stupid. They should have just done their normal tush push on the 2nd one so Allen and his legs had the potential to keep driving to get the first. Brady shouldn't have called that again and should have went back to the normal real tush push because now Miami is having to defend both the leap and the actual low push.

I liked the Sherfield signing, even said that I felt he could step in and replicate Davis production if Davis got hurt. And I still think he could...HOWEVER...lets not let one sensational play over shadow one issue that has been in play throughout the season. And that is that Sherfield and Allen have had some of the "not on the same page" communication things that Davis has had. Now a big part of that could be simply Sherfield barely getting any reps to build that rapport, but I don't think that him stepping into Davis role automatically becomes a better connection in terms of those communication issues. So...do I think Sherfield "could" be a better WR2 in the playoffs if Davis misses time...sure, the potential is there, but also not sold that him and Josh have enough rapport to not lead to communication error turnovers like that has plagued the Davis Allen connection at times (38% of thrown INTs are to Davis). My next thing is Shakir...if Davis misses some time (and I kind of would like to see the offense one full game with Davis out say this week), I would much rather see Shakir get a bigger slice of a role and have more plays designed and called for him. Personally, I think Shakir could be a big producer if featured in an offense like how Nacua was for the Rams this year. When I watch Nacua here in LA this year, I kept saying I don't see him doing anything that I don't firmly believe Shakir could do if he was in his role in LA. So, nothing against Shefield, but I personally think that Shakir is the one we will see really step up more if Davis misses time, or at least I think it should be because him and Allen seem to be dialed in when Allen goes his way.

So funny you posted this cuz I was over there laughing and just enjoying tasting their tears. They have soooooo much vile hatred of Bills, Josh Allen, Buffalo the city, Bills fans, etc...its crazy. I find it funny when they talk about how "low class" Buffalo and the people who live there are when the majority of their posters sound like they didn't even get a G.E.D. let alone a HS diploma and try and talk all tough and street lmao. Especially when anyone I know who has gone to Buffalo will echo the same thing we felt when we were there...the city and near areas like Niagra Falls are beautiful, the people are incredibly friendly and nice, and the food is great. Miami on the other hand is a cess pool while Buffalo is one of the fastest growing tech cities in the world and one of the fastest growing cities in the world of ages 18-35, a sign of a thriving city for youth and employment. And I am born and raised in CA, so I am not saying that as a homer as I have never lived in Buffalo.

People forget the 2nd one was on 4th down, so INT is better than an Incomplete pass. Better to heave it deep where if there is a pick it’s like a punt while still giving the offense a chance to make a play or score. Josh knows this, and he’s heaved passes like this rather than throw away or take the sack on 4th before On 4th down, the QB is better off throwing an INT trying to make a play than taking sack or incomplete pass blocking because it’s a turnover no matter what if you don’t get the first.

The second pick was 4th down. If he doesn’t throw it then it’s a turnover regardless, so rather he heave it for a score attempt way down field so it’s at least like a punt if picked off then give them the ball back at the LOS. In fact, an INT is better than an incomplete pass there

PREACH!

As I was saying… 2 seed!!!!! Division Champs!!!!! Real season begins now!!!! LFG!!!! GOBILLS!!!!

LFG!!!! Part 1 done! We are officially in! Let’s see if we enter as 2 seed or 6 seed, but mission accomplished on part one of getting into the playoffs! GoBills!!!