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He has 2 career drops. James Cook fumbled his first game, doesn't make him a career fumbler. This false narrative about Shakir is crazy to me, literally everyone who says he drops passes doesn't even know that he really hasn't dropped many passes. It's one of the weirdest TSW myths

He didn't pass on a Hall of Fame QB for more picks...the Bills passed on a college QB who at the time had polarizing opinions on him even being worthy of the 10th pick, let alone worthy of being picked before Watson. Trubisky was the consensus top QB in that draft. So, you don't get to go back now and pretend Mahomes was like the greatest prospect ever and we just passed on him. All the talk was that his mechanics would have to be rebuilt at the next level to succeed, and there was debate on whether he should even go in the first round. And it worked out pretty good for the Bills still landing Tre and assets that led to Allen too. Josh Allen didn't lose us that game against KC, our defense did otherwise Allen might have his own SB ring. Take away Allen and plug in Mahomes and I don't think the Bills do much better than they already have.

I think if there is a move made, it will be at LB. Dorian has shown some flashes, but he isn't ready and they know he isn't. At least at DT and CB we have guys with experience who can step in. So whether its true or not, this rumor to me is something that makes sense in terms of him making calls about LB's.

Who cares.

Because there was talk Dre could be available earlier this year during the offseason.

Frazier sucked. Defense was more aggressive since McD took over and he shut down Miami. If you cant see the difference in the defense under McD compared to Frazier, then I don't know what to tell you (in terms of prior to the injuries). Does any of that give McD a pass on any responsibility? No...but Frazier was an issue, and we are a better defense without him.

Um not sure what you are talking about given defense was much better under McD before the injuries. Unless you think 2nd in points allowed, 1st in interceptions, 1st in sacks, 1st in turnovers, and 1st in points differential is somehow worse than Frazier.

Geezus...are people really trying to make this mean something different than what it clearly means? Tweet 1: Turn the page. Tweet 2: Back to work. 100% he is saying...without doubt...to turn the page on the loss and get back to work. It's a long season, we are still 1 game out of the division lead and there is time to get back on track. Anyone else trying to make this into something else is wasting their time.

True, but he also was underperforming compared to Devin when here too, so you can't get more touches if you can't unseat the guy ahead of you, not to mention he had some injury issues too.

Unfortunately for him, that won't stay like that too long as his carries will dwindle as Taylor gets up to speed. But good for him, I could see teams calling Colts for trade interest before the deadline now that they extended Taylor. Who knows if Colts would bite though, they might prefer the 1-2 punch now to put less wear on Taylor.

Agree, and yeah, can't fault the defense much here, prior to injuries we had the largest margin of victory, 2nd lowest points allowed per game, 1st in Interceptions, 1st in sacks, and 1st in turnovers. The defense was missing 4 guys who are at or near All-Pro level when healthy in Tre, Milano, Jones, and Oliver with only Oliver not out long term. But our loss to Jags, near loss (should be loss) to Giants, and loss to the Pats was squarely on the offense and their abysmal first halves. Had the offense just been decent in those first halves we win all 3 games. Agree...and the painful part is just how obvious a lot of it is that Dorsey doesn't seem to grasp.

I won't pretend Daboll isn't better than Dorsey, because he is. And I didn't advocate to get rid of Daboll for a rookie OC, in fact, I complained about the Dorsey hire and gambling the prime years of Diggs and Allen on an inexperienced OC learning on the job. But that doesn't mean Daboll doesn't have his own warts still and they showed up in the Bills game and contributed to him losing that game last week against us.

Catching TD's is not a "concern" that is him doing his job - dropping passes and taking the offense off the field because he can't get open, drops a pass, or doesn't get his feet down in bounds is a concern.

Not a fan of Dorsey or the excuses he gets...but since the odds of him being replaced in season are so low, this is to focus on what he and the offense need to do to turn this thing around. And with the injuries on Defense, we absolutely need the offense to be better. This is ALSO assuming no trades, just working with what we have. Well its not rocket science even though it seems hard for Dorsey to figure out who honestly just feels out of his depth right now from a coaching perspective. So let me help him out... TURN JOSH ALLEN LOOSE! - This whole over correction after the Jets game is just as bad as the Jets game was. Josh did NOT need to run less...he needed to take less hits. Josh did NOT need to run less...we needed less called runs off the snap up the middle like a FB into the teeth of the defense. Josh did NOT need to run less...he needed to be smarter and not fight for extra meaningless yards once he made the play. The bottom line is that this was a MAJOR part of the NIGHTMARES that DC's had to defend against because he made you pay and pay bad when you didn't account for it. Taking this out of his game has made Dorsey vanilla offense even easier to defend and its taken away Superman's cape to a degree. Josh is more hesitant than I have ever seen him and it's because he is playing in a way to fight his own instincts. When you have a talent as special as him, you live with the good and the bad because the good SUBSTANTIALLY out weights the bad. SCRAP THE OVERUSE OF 12 PERSONNEL! - If we are not going to use the 12 personnel to put a ton of pressure on the defense and take advantage of mismatches, then STOP running it so much. You are not Belichick, you have no clue how to utilize this to our advantage so stop over using it until you figure out how to make defenses pay with it. REDUCE DAVIS SNAP DOMINANCE! - There is absolutely no reason for Davis to have the most snaps on offense (96%), especially when he is producing so little with it. Shakir is starting to earn more trust with the coaches and he is making key plays when given chances to do so. His snap % has gone up every week since week 1 where it started at 10% and was 34% week 7. HOWEVER...Davis snap counts are NOT going down, that means we are still limiting the other personnel to keep Davis on the field more. We need more snaps that have BOTH Shakir and Kincaid on the field more. Let Shakir work the slot short stuff so Kincaid can hit the seem, midfield, etc and put more pressure on the defense. Right now, Kincaid is seeing too much short underneath stuff and that is not what we drafted him for. PUT JOSH UNDER CENTER MORE! - Geezus Dorsey, are you the only person who watches football that hasn't seen the significantly higher level of success and production when Josh is under center vs the shotgun???? STOP RUNNING SO MUCH OUT OF SHOTGUN! - As I already said above, this offense is so much better with Allen under center, and the play action has been a major weapon of this offense. So start lining up under center and running the ball from there too so it only further helps sell the play action even more. STUDY PHILLY QB SNEAK TUSH PUSH! - How are we not literally doing the same thing with Josh? Yes we ran some sneaks, but they are not as good as Philly's and we don't do it often enough. It should be a major weapon in our offense and practically immediate goto play with 1.5 yards to go or less. MORE QUICK STRIKE READS! - Josh Allen again on Sunday was night and day better on drop backs where the ball came out quickly. And I know there is more that goes into it than just saying more quick strike reads (guys got to get open, OL needs to do its part, Josh needs to make the right read, etc). But its pretty easy to tell when that wasn't the type of call, like when Josh makes a deep drop and then you can see the first looks are downfield which take longer to develop. THROW TO JAMES COOK! - There is no reason or excuse where James Cook shouldn't get at least 5 targets in a game. Cook should be getting 18+ touches a game between running and receiving. And despite being drafted to be a receiving weapon, Dorsey just isn't getting him involved enough in that area. I mean, this isn't rocket science. It doesn't take a professional GM or OC to look at the tape and literally see Josh playing like he has some sort of speed restrictor on his gas pedal out there. Don't get me wrong, taking what the D gives him is something Josh needed to be better about rather than always trying to buy time to find big chunk plays. However, there has been a gross over correction now, especially in regards to Josh using his legs to make plays. And honestly, go watch Allen highlights, its those plays where he runs someone over, stiff arms someone, etc etc that you will see Josh the most fired up. He feeds off those moments and it brings him to another gear few players have. #Alpha4OC 😎🤪😂

Plenty? You mean 2? One of which was a very difficult catch that was harder than the one Diggs dropped on 2nd to last play yesterday? This narrative on him just makes no sense Are you going to give Davis a pass for dropping another 3rd down conversion because an unrelated flag kept it off his stat sheet? Does that unrelated flag change the fact he dropped the ball again?

He has 8 catches on 9 targets and I don't see him credited with a drop. Davis dropped 2 3rd down conversions in the same game this year. So I don't see how Shakir can be labeled someone who drops passes when he has had so little opportunity to show one way or the other. People made a big deal about a very difficult catch he dropped in the playoff game, but he didn't even drop it, he just wasn't able to keep it from moving when he laid out for it and hit the ground. Diggs drop on the 2nd to last play for example against NE was way worse. You'e awesome Virgil, and no offense, but this notion that Shakir has bad hands or drops passes is just not fair to him. He had 2 drops last year, one of which was a very difficult catch that guys like Diggs drop too. Davis is a proven drop machine and Knox goes through phases where he can make some crazy difficult catches then drop important less difficult ones. Its time to let other guys see if they can improve this offense because Davis getting 96% of the snaps and putting up 1 catch all the time is not getting it done.

Not for Knox What drop issues though? You’re talking about camp. Mahomes had an interception issue all through camp before coming out the gate and winning MVP. Camp is camp, means nothing. He has none this year and made plays every time he was called upon. And we are talking about Gabe who has a real drops issue

Agree on the ones out in space, good point on that.

Exactly…This is my point, he isn’t doing enough to dominate the snap count like he has, especially since Dorsey is obsessed with the 12 personnel which further limits the other receivers usage

He has no dropped passes this year while Knox and Davis are out there killing drives with drops

Shakir had several nice blocks today that I saw and last week too.

What we needed was less DESIGNED runs where they ran Allen like a FB up the middle of the D off the snap. What we always needed, and desperately need back, is Josh taking off with his legs when he wasn’t seeing what he wanted down field. And in those moments we needed Josh to get down once he made the play rather than take big hits fighting for a couple extra yards. Also, those runs and hits always fire Josh up, in fact, that’s when Josh is the most fired up if you go back and watch highlights. He feeds off that and without it’s like there is this extra gear missing from his game now.

Davis is the same he always has been. Occasional impact game, then many games of poor showings. He has a limited route tree, unreliable hands, and can’t get separation anywhere that doesn’t require him running mostly in straight lines. Shakir has been making plays every time he is called upon this year, and with the dominant number of snaps being given to Davis at WR while also running 12 personnel so often, it had severely limited the targets and snaps for guys like Shakir. Davis is getting too many reps to be producing this little. Time to get other guys involved who are better route runners and more reliable hands, and that starts with Shakir at WR and Kincaid at TE.

Bump. Like I was saying above…

The issue is Dorsey and this offense have been exposed and figured out. Dorsey seems in over his head to adapt. They have coached the hero out of Allen too, they need to let him be him and live with the good and the bad. It’s made him less decisive and hesitant at times and this team needs the Josh that became elite, not the tamed Josh they are trying to create.