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No disrespect bud, but I mean that sure sounds like its "predictable" when you say "defenses are playing the run more then they see us under center especially in 12 personnel" when you are responding to me saying that we are too predictable and that is why we don't have more success running from under center. This is really where my whole point is. Cook and Kincaid need to be treated as primary weapons more, not just guys to use here and there so we don't throw to Diggs on every play. Even Allen said it himself, Diggs is "often" his first read. Kincaid should be getting at least 7-8 targets a game and Cook should be getting at least 4-5 targets himself to go along with at least 18+ combined touches a game. Every game that should be the min priority for those 2 along with Diggs. They are our next most talented weapons behind Diggs.

Its a 3 game problem, this isn't about the Pats game only. Its actually a 4 game problem if you count the Jets game, but I give that one more of a pass given first game of season and Jets have given most offenses they have faced trouble. This offense has been anemic, it is too easily defended right now, and that starts with Dorsey. Player execution matters too, but the offense needs to have an identity and rhythm, and that is something Dorsey has failed to accomplish last year or this year on any consistent basis. There is no excuse for Cook to have 0 targets against the Giants. There is no excuse for Kincaid and Knox to be averaging 6.9 yards per catch coming into week 7 despite leading the league in 12 personnel snaps. There is no excuse for Davis to lead the offense in snap count every week when he just isn't producing. These are the things that bug me about Dorsey and why it starts with him. He is out coached on almost a weekly basis, and if not for Daboll and the Giants beating themselves, this team would be on a 3 game losing streak all of which would be on the offense.

The site I checked showed 2, but doesn't mean that site is correct as I have found some sites differ on some of the stats tracked. That playoff drop is too harshly criticized IMHO. Diggs just dropped an easier catch to end the game Sunday than the one Shakir didn't make in the playoffs, in fact Diggs has multiple drops this year that were easier catches than the one Shakir didn't complete in the playoffs. And it wasn't even a full drop, the tip of the ball hit the ground on the way down and it had to be overturned on relay. Davis drops easy throws right in his hands. Camp is camp, I don't really care what happened or didn't happen in camp. I mean the camp where Mahomes became the starter, he was throwing INT's all through camp yet he went on to have the best first season of a QB ever. Just like we have guys every year who have big camps that go on to do nothing and don't even make the roster. For me, all that matters is what is he doing in the real games, and so far he is delivering when called upon while Davis musters 1 catch on a 96% snap account. He doesn't have to be the next Beasley, but I am willing to bet if he played 96% of the snaps he would get more than 1 catch. I am not clear why you think he can't track deep ball, its actually something he did very well in college and he hasn't gotten enough reps in the NFL to indicate if he can or can't. But then again, I am not saying he needs to be a deep ball guy, Davis can still fill that role as its about the only route he can run with any success. Allen just needs more help to move the chains so it can open up the downfield attack more. Right now defenses are just taking that away too easily and Dorsey has no answers for it. And Davis just isn't the guy to help Allen do that, but I personally think Shakir can be of more value in that regard than Davis. And look, I am not saying that Shakir will never drop another pass, I am just saying I feel like he is being a bit unfairly labeled as not having good hands based on a rookie year where the sample size was small and he was not used consistently or given a lot of time to develop. NOTE: One thing no one takes into consideration about last year is that Allen throws harder than any QB any of these guys have ever caught passes from, and that is especially true in live games where Allen is firing balls in the heat of the game. Receivers talked all the time about guys like Elway and Marino where it was just harder to catch their passes until you got used to the velocity. Then you add in Shakir was a reserve running with the backups rather than the 1's during practice throughout the season and also not getting many snaps either, its not a surprise he might drop a ball or two as a rookie. But this year, his hands look good and he is delivering so far on the opportunities given to him.

Disagree. You want to run designed runs, then roll him out, not run him like a FB up the middle off the snap. And Josh improvising with his legs is a big part of his game, taking that away isn't making him mature as a passer, its making him work against his instincts. Josh never was a run first QB, he has always looked to throw before running, but now he waits too long for the pass and has missed many opportunities these last 3 weeks where he could have made a positive play by pulling the ball down and taking off and either giving him a better chance for the first down or at least shortening the down to go yardage on the next play. When you run something more than anything, then statistically its going to produce yards because you still have Josh Allen and Diggs. But from an efficiency stand point, its not been good. You can't sit here and say how successful its been when we had 7 points midway through the 4th quarter of weeks 5 and 6 and just 10 points in week 7. There is nothing "successful" about the offense the past 3 weeks and against weak to bad competition to boot. We should be on a 3 game losing streak, but Giants beat themselves. And sorry, I assure you I know plenty about football. And I would say you are actually the one who doesn't understand the mismatches with a 2 TE attack given you just lumped in production that is heavily Diggs and not the TE's. Kincaid was drafted to be a receiving weapon, and coming into this game he was averaging UNDER 7 yards per catch and so was Knox. They are not using our 2 athletic TE's to put pressure anywhere else down field. The offense still produces because we still have Allen and Diggs out there, but that in no way is an indicator that we are using the 2 TE set to an advantage out there, and if you don't believe it, just go rewatch the last 3 games. If Kincaid and Knox are not being used as anything other than short dump offs or decoys, that is NOT taking advantage of mismatches, that is a poor use of the 12 personnel set, poor use of a first round TE we traded up for, and poor use a $50M TE. If we hid the names and looked only at the stat sheet, everyone would say Buffalo needs to draft a TE next year because ours average less than 7 YPC through 6 games and have pathetic production. And this gets magnified when you factor in the only other target out there besides Diggs is Davis who struggles to get separation and it puts a ton of pressure on the Allen to Diggs connection. There is a reason there is so much talk we are too reliant on Diggs offensively. We are not running the ball enough to justify Davis getting 96% of the snaps because he is good at blocking. Still not enough This has more to do with how predictable Dorsey is than anything else. Its wrong IMHO And this is the biggest issue with Dorsey, he just is consistently out coached and is poor to adjust. I don't buy that, lesser QB's and lesser teams throw to their RB's all the time because its part of their game plan. Cook is far too often a check-down often late in the read progression. And when you got an arm talent like Allen, he is more likely to see a throw he feels he can make before he gets back to Cook on the check-down, and that is assuming the OL held long enough to get through his progressions which it hasn't been doing a good job as of late.

He has 2 career drops. James Cook fumbled his first game, doesn't make him a career fumbler. This false narrative about Shakir is crazy to me, literally everyone who says he drops passes doesn't even know that he really hasn't dropped many passes. It's one of the weirdest TSW myths

He didn't pass on a Hall of Fame QB for more picks...the Bills passed on a college QB who at the time had polarizing opinions on him even being worthy of the 10th pick, let alone worthy of being picked before Watson. Trubisky was the consensus top QB in that draft. So, you don't get to go back now and pretend Mahomes was like the greatest prospect ever and we just passed on him. All the talk was that his mechanics would have to be rebuilt at the next level to succeed, and there was debate on whether he should even go in the first round. And it worked out pretty good for the Bills still landing Tre and assets that led to Allen too. Josh Allen didn't lose us that game against KC, our defense did otherwise Allen might have his own SB ring. Take away Allen and plug in Mahomes and I don't think the Bills do much better than they already have.

I think if there is a move made, it will be at LB. Dorian has shown some flashes, but he isn't ready and they know he isn't. At least at DT and CB we have guys with experience who can step in. So whether its true or not, this rumor to me is something that makes sense in terms of him making calls about LB's.

Who cares.

Because there was talk Dre could be available earlier this year during the offseason.

Frazier sucked. Defense was more aggressive since McD took over and he shut down Miami. If you cant see the difference in the defense under McD compared to Frazier, then I don't know what to tell you (in terms of prior to the injuries). Does any of that give McD a pass on any responsibility? No...but Frazier was an issue, and we are a better defense without him.

Um not sure what you are talking about given defense was much better under McD before the injuries. Unless you think 2nd in points allowed, 1st in interceptions, 1st in sacks, 1st in turnovers, and 1st in points differential is somehow worse than Frazier.

Geezus...are people really trying to make this mean something different than what it clearly means? Tweet 1: Turn the page. Tweet 2: Back to work. 100% he is saying...without doubt...to turn the page on the loss and get back to work. It's a long season, we are still 1 game out of the division lead and there is time to get back on track. Anyone else trying to make this into something else is wasting their time.

True, but he also was underperforming compared to Devin when here too, so you can't get more touches if you can't unseat the guy ahead of you, not to mention he had some injury issues too.

Unfortunately for him, that won't stay like that too long as his carries will dwindle as Taylor gets up to speed. But good for him, I could see teams calling Colts for trade interest before the deadline now that they extended Taylor. Who knows if Colts would bite though, they might prefer the 1-2 punch now to put less wear on Taylor.

Agree, and yeah, can't fault the defense much here, prior to injuries we had the largest margin of victory, 2nd lowest points allowed per game, 1st in Interceptions, 1st in sacks, and 1st in turnovers. The defense was missing 4 guys who are at or near All-Pro level when healthy in Tre, Milano, Jones, and Oliver with only Oliver not out long term. But our loss to Jags, near loss (should be loss) to Giants, and loss to the Pats was squarely on the offense and their abysmal first halves. Had the offense just been decent in those first halves we win all 3 games. Agree...and the painful part is just how obvious a lot of it is that Dorsey doesn't seem to grasp.

I won't pretend Daboll isn't better than Dorsey, because he is. And I didn't advocate to get rid of Daboll for a rookie OC, in fact, I complained about the Dorsey hire and gambling the prime years of Diggs and Allen on an inexperienced OC learning on the job. But that doesn't mean Daboll doesn't have his own warts still and they showed up in the Bills game and contributed to him losing that game last week against us.

Catching TD's is not a "concern" that is him doing his job - dropping passes and taking the offense off the field because he can't get open, drops a pass, or doesn't get his feet down in bounds is a concern.

Not a fan of Dorsey or the excuses he gets...but since the odds of him being replaced in season are so low, this is to focus on what he and the offense need to do to turn this thing around. And with the injuries on Defense, we absolutely need the offense to be better. This is ALSO assuming no trades, just working with what we have. Well its not rocket science even though it seems hard for Dorsey to figure out who honestly just feels out of his depth right now from a coaching perspective. So let me help him out... TURN JOSH ALLEN LOOSE! - This whole over correction after the Jets game is just as bad as the Jets game was. Josh did NOT need to run less...he needed to take less hits. Josh did NOT need to run less...we needed less called runs off the snap up the middle like a FB into the teeth of the defense. Josh did NOT need to run less...he needed to be smarter and not fight for extra meaningless yards once he made the play. The bottom line is that this was a MAJOR part of the NIGHTMARES that DC's had to defend against because he made you pay and pay bad when you didn't account for it. Taking this out of his game has made Dorsey vanilla offense even easier to defend and its taken away Superman's cape to a degree. Josh is more hesitant than I have ever seen him and it's because he is playing in a way to fight his own instincts. When you have a talent as special as him, you live with the good and the bad because the good SUBSTANTIALLY out weights the bad. SCRAP THE OVERUSE OF 12 PERSONNEL! - If we are not going to use the 12 personnel to put a ton of pressure on the defense and take advantage of mismatches, then STOP running it so much. You are not Belichick, you have no clue how to utilize this to our advantage so stop over using it until you figure out how to make defenses pay with it. REDUCE DAVIS SNAP DOMINANCE! - There is absolutely no reason for Davis to have the most snaps on offense (96%), especially when he is producing so little with it. Shakir is starting to earn more trust with the coaches and he is making key plays when given chances to do so. His snap % has gone up every week since week 1 where it started at 10% and was 34% week 7. HOWEVER...Davis snap counts are NOT going down, that means we are still limiting the other personnel to keep Davis on the field more. We need more snaps that have BOTH Shakir and Kincaid on the field more. Let Shakir work the slot short stuff so Kincaid can hit the seem, midfield, etc and put more pressure on the defense. Right now, Kincaid is seeing too much short underneath stuff and that is not what we drafted him for. PUT JOSH UNDER CENTER MORE! - Geezus Dorsey, are you the only person who watches football that hasn't seen the significantly higher level of success and production when Josh is under center vs the shotgun???? STOP RUNNING SO MUCH OUT OF SHOTGUN! - As I already said above, this offense is so much better with Allen under center, and the play action has been a major weapon of this offense. So start lining up under center and running the ball from there too so it only further helps sell the play action even more. STUDY PHILLY QB SNEAK TUSH PUSH! - How are we not literally doing the same thing with Josh? Yes we ran some sneaks, but they are not as good as Philly's and we don't do it often enough. It should be a major weapon in our offense and practically immediate goto play with 1.5 yards to go or less. MORE QUICK STRIKE READS! - Josh Allen again on Sunday was night and day better on drop backs where the ball came out quickly. And I know there is more that goes into it than just saying more quick strike reads (guys got to get open, OL needs to do its part, Josh needs to make the right read, etc). But its pretty easy to tell when that wasn't the type of call, like when Josh makes a deep drop and then you can see the first looks are downfield which take longer to develop. THROW TO JAMES COOK! - There is no reason or excuse where James Cook shouldn't get at least 5 targets in a game. Cook should be getting 18+ touches a game between running and receiving. And despite being drafted to be a receiving weapon, Dorsey just isn't getting him involved enough in that area. I mean, this isn't rocket science. It doesn't take a professional GM or OC to look at the tape and literally see Josh playing like he has some sort of speed restrictor on his gas pedal out there. Don't get me wrong, taking what the D gives him is something Josh needed to be better about rather than always trying to buy time to find big chunk plays. However, there has been a gross over correction now, especially in regards to Josh using his legs to make plays. And honestly, go watch Allen highlights, its those plays where he runs someone over, stiff arms someone, etc etc that you will see Josh the most fired up. He feeds off those moments and it brings him to another gear few players have. #Alpha4OC 😎🤪😂

Plenty? You mean 2? One of which was a very difficult catch that was harder than the one Diggs dropped on 2nd to last play yesterday? This narrative on him just makes no sense Are you going to give Davis a pass for dropping another 3rd down conversion because an unrelated flag kept it off his stat sheet? Does that unrelated flag change the fact he dropped the ball again?

He has 8 catches on 9 targets and I don't see him credited with a drop. Davis dropped 2 3rd down conversions in the same game this year. So I don't see how Shakir can be labeled someone who drops passes when he has had so little opportunity to show one way or the other. People made a big deal about a very difficult catch he dropped in the playoff game, but he didn't even drop it, he just wasn't able to keep it from moving when he laid out for it and hit the ground. Diggs drop on the 2nd to last play for example against NE was way worse. You'e awesome Virgil, and no offense, but this notion that Shakir has bad hands or drops passes is just not fair to him. He had 2 drops last year, one of which was a very difficult catch that guys like Diggs drop too. Davis is a proven drop machine and Knox goes through phases where he can make some crazy difficult catches then drop important less difficult ones. Its time to let other guys see if they can improve this offense because Davis getting 96% of the snaps and putting up 1 catch all the time is not getting it done.

Not for Knox What drop issues though? You’re talking about camp. Mahomes had an interception issue all through camp before coming out the gate and winning MVP. Camp is camp, means nothing. He has none this year and made plays every time he was called upon. And we are talking about Gabe who has a real drops issue

Agree on the ones out in space, good point on that.

Exactly…This is my point, he isn’t doing enough to dominate the snap count like he has, especially since Dorsey is obsessed with the 12 personnel which further limits the other receivers usage

He has no dropped passes this year while Knox and Davis are out there killing drives with drops

Shakir had several nice blocks today that I saw and last week too.