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Im very high on McConkey. I think 5 years from now when they look back at this draft, McConkey will talked about as one of the best players to come out of this draft.

Let me be clear, I did not say he isn't better than Gabe. I said he has a lot of the same weaknesses that Gabe did, but he is faster and has better hands and I would take him over Gabe for sure. I want a WR who is going to consistently put pressure on all 3 phases of the defense, and Leggette struggles with short area acceleration and burst as he is more of a strider to get to his top speed. Do I think he can come in a be a better Gabe and dominant WR2...sure...but I am not sold he can be an elite WR1 in the NFL, and I think there are prospects like Thomas, Mitchell, McConkey who I think have a better shot at being a WR1 at the next level. Doesn't mean Leggette can't be, but between his areas of concern, lesser competition, and limited production, he is a bigger risk. And that is the kind of player Leggette is right now, more polarizing than some of the other guys. There are guys who think he is top 5 WR, and I have seen ranked in the teens. Worthy is another whose opinions vary greatly. And like you accept you have him higher than the consensus, I acknowledge I have him a bit lower than some too. Personally, in this draft, I think he can be had in the 2nd round. If we trade back from 28 and take him, I would be totally fine with that, especially if we pick up an extra 3rd on the trade back. So even if you think he is that good, I am pretty sure we can get him on a trade back before we should take him at 28. Leggette is an intriguing prospect, I won't be mad if we land him, but he isn't as clean a prospect as some of the other guys as he has a lower floor so the issue I have is just taking him in the first. If Diggs was 28, I would feel a lot better taking him...but the guy we take is not only going to need to contribute year 1, but this is the best WR draft maybe ever and this may be our best shot at landing the heir to Diggs while also landing a future WR2 later in the draft to develop as well. So I don't want to miss with this pick. I should also be clear, that I have the top 11 WR's as all potential WR1's in the NFL. And I have a pretty stellar record when it comes to WR's and I have never entered a draft feeling that this many guys (11) have strong WR1 potential. Its crazy deep this year at both the top and through day 3. But I have them grouped as such: Elite WR1 Prospects who each could have been the top WR prospect in probably half the drafts in the last 10 years - Top 4 Harrisson, Nabers, Odunze, Thomas Legit WR1 Prospects with some minor concerns/questions - 5th-7th McConkey, Mitchell, Coleman - McConkey some debate is he a true WR1 at the next level (I am confident he is), Mitchell has some questions why his stats don't match his elite traits, and Coleman has questions on can he consistently get separation at the next level even though he is an open even when not open type player. Elite WR2 to potential WR1 prospects with a little more questions or concerns than the group ahead of them - 8th - 11th Franklin, Pearsall, Worthy, Leggette - Franklin has concerns over his frame and maybe being a long ball specialist, Pearsall some aren't sold he can be a WR1 despite having the traits for it, Worthy is fast as lightning but his lanky frame and lack of strength some fear makes him a WR2 in the NFL, and Leggette we already discussed. There isn't a WR in that top 11 I would be upset if we drafted, just some of them I think we would be better off trading back and taking in round 2 and picking up an extra 3rd where we can maybe double dip on one of these guys who could slip or another one of the other intriguing WR prospects outside this top 11.

The 6th best WR this year would have been the top 1 or 2 in any other draft. You guys need to stop thinking in a vaccum and focus more on what is there. Thomas would be the top WR in most of the drafts the last 15 years, yet he is seen as 4th in this one. Plus, Worthy is likely going to go before our pick, who is probably more like 8th or 9th best WR in this draft has a good chance to go early because his speed is elite even though he isn't probably a true WR1 in the NFL like some of the other first round guys pushing one of them closer to us. And...most importantly...most of the top 10 and top 20 WR's in the NFL did not get drafted in the first round. So this obsession that only one of the first few WR's are the only way to find a WR1 is an incorrect way of looking at it. PS: Mike Williams averages less than 700 yards for his career catching passes from Rivers and Herbert. We can find a rookie who can eclipse that easy.

Do people even realize Mike Williams averages 44 rec for 686 yards over 7 seasons? And that is with Phillip Rivers and Justin Herbert as his QB's. Yet he was getting paid a monstrous contract lol. HARD PASS for Mr. IR Sure, if there wasn't a WR rich draft in front of us. I would rather those snaps go to the early WR we take because they need the snaps if they are going to be the eventual heir to Diggs. So I don't think having a Vet stuck ahead of that WR is good for his development.

Do people even realize Mike Williams averages 44 rec for 686 yards over 7 seasons? And that is with Phillip Rivers and Justin Herbert as his QB's. Yet he was getting paid a monstrous contract lol. HARD PASS

Doesn't spend big money? He spent a lot and traded for Diggs, paid him big money, then paid him big money again. He traded up for Kincaid last year too. And Mike Williams? What a terrible decision to bring him in would that be. Thankfully Beane isn't foolish enough to pay a bunch of money to an overrated WR who disappears all the time and also gets hurt constantly. Literally the best WR draft of our lifetimes and people want to blow money we don't have on retread WR's, I just don't get the logic.

HARD PASS. Guy disappears for long stretches while commanding big dollars. He is always hurt. Our future WR2 and probable heir to Diggs as WR1 is coming via the draft. It would be stupid to tie up cap space on someone like Mike Williams that we don't have to spare before heading into one of the deepest and riches WR drafts in the modern era.

Again, that logic doesn't hold water. That is like saying because Floyd had more sacks with less snaps then Greg should play less snaps to get more sacks. Sacks are going to vary year to year regardless of exact same snaps, less snaps, more snaps. The only statement that is 100% factual and true is when you play more snaps you get more opportunities. So its 100% factual to say the odds he would increase his stat totals are HIGHER with more snaps. But Sacks are a TERRIBLE barometer for this discussion anyway. Its a single play. You are talking about a single play happening a couple more times over a 17 game span or not happening a couple times less. I mean that can be the difference of less than 1 second total of time on whether he got 2 more sacks or gets 2 less sacks as some of these plays come within a fraction of a second of being a sack or not being a sack. This isn't like a WR say having 400 more yards or not if he was a starter vs role player.

Renfrow as depth would be fine, but he isn't signing somewhere to be depth only, he is going to want to at least have a chance to compete to start, if not come in as the slot starter. I would bet good money he signs with the Chiefs if released because he fits their short pass attack very well and its a spot they need a lot of help on.

Floyd is not a fair comparison at all though. Floyd is a pass rush specialist, where Greg is asked to do a lot more like set the edge. They don't have the same roles. With someone like Floyd its not abnormal to have more sacks one year than the next even on fewer snaps. I mean you are talking about a single play happening once or twice more in an entire 17 game season. So this doesn't prove that more playing time wouldn't increase his stats, which it clearly would. More snaps on the field equals more opportunities to make more plays.

I don't have Leggette in the top 10 (he is 11th on my board), I would target him in the 3rd, maybe late 2nd. He has all the same flaws as Gabe Davis. Lacks acceleration and burst as he is a strider and doesn't get up to his top speed unless running in a straight line. Struggles off the LOS and getting separation in the shorter and mid areas of the field. He is going to be a project, I would rather take him in the 3rd if we take him. Harrison Nabers Odunze Thomas McConkey Mitchell Coleman Franklin Worthy Pearsall Leggette

And we have 11 picks to move around it need be. But 28 isn’t crappy when the draft is this deep.

We were never going to spend on WR in free agency outside this type of signing. Anyone thinking otherwise was just getting their hopes up. This is richest and deepest draft at WR in a long time, maybe ever and we have a tight cap with more than half our roster turning over. That being said, this is a solid signing considering what our budget is for FA.

Offense - Kincaid and Shakir. They had mini breakouts this year, but I think they come out and show people they are key parts to this offense this season and turn even more heads. Defense - Elam. Gonna get a lot of push back here from his haters, but I think he wins the starting job opposite Douglas this season and shows his potential and puts up 6+ Ints

But there are guys just as fast or faster (all faster than Davis) who are more complete WRs that will be available when we pick. All I’m saying is I’m not taking Leggette before them. If we got Leggette in 2nd or 3rd, sure I’m ok with it. I don’t have him in my top 10 WRs, and there won’t be 10 gone before we pick at 28. I would absolutely take Thomas, Mitchell, McConkey, Coleman, and Franklin before him. Probably Pearsall too who I think may be the most underrated of all the guys. My top 10 board is: Elite WR1 Prospects 1 Harrison - Clear top WR 2 and 3 - Nabers and Odunze (Whoch ever order someone puts them in) 4 Thomas - Clear #4 for me, and not far behind Nabers/Odunze. He’s a true WR1 prospect. Potential 1st Rounders to early 2nd rounders but still with WR1 traits and potential 5 McConkey 6 Mitchell 7 Coleman 2nd rounders to early 3rd rounders as strong WR2 prospects still with WR1 some potential, but have some more question marks than the tier above them. 8 Franklin 9 Worthy 10 Pearsall 11 Leggette NOTE: I’m pretty sure someone is going to over draft Worthy in the first round, maybe even as the 3rd, 4th, or 5th WR off the board. A team like Dallas makes sense where he gets turf and isn’t the WR1. I’m really hoping he pushes Thomas down the board.

I don’t get the Leggette interest. He’s a Gabe Davis clone in terms of weaknesses just faster. He lacks explosion off the line and is a strider, struggles at separation in the short areas of the field and has poor acceleration and burst. Sure, if he’s there in the 2nd or 3rd, but not at 28. I also don’t get the interest in Worthy who is a stick figure and all his speed will be neutralized in the bad weather where he offers little at that point as he doesn’t have size or strength to be physical. Plus his frame is gonna be questionable to be able to hold up to an NFL schedule punishment. I think our targets are more likely to be Thomas, Mitchell, McConkey, Coleman at 28…or any of them and maybe Franklin or Pearsall if they trade back.

Honestly, I completely agree. Josh career would like a lot like Mahomes does in terms of MVPs and SB Trophies and Mahomes would likely mirror Josh's and be empty as well. I really believe Mahomes and Allen are neck and neck talent wise and the situations have dictated the better overall TEAM results Mahomes has experienced in KC vs Josh in Buffalo.

I would rather have Henry at $8M than Barkley at $12M. So not sure what the Eagles were thinking if they could have had Henry for 2/3rds the price.

I hit agree if the right bargain is there, cuz with 11 picks we can also draft a cheap one.

This is a move that I do think makes the Ravens better…how much is yet to be seen, but seems like a no brainer fit. Makes the Saquon deal look even worse IMO.

We can’t be done in FA though whether it’s now or later as we still have too many holes to fill that we aren’t filling with 11 draft picks, which is probably less than 11 as I expect Beane to makes some moves around the draft. So something has to be off on the latest numbers in the thread or something more coming because we don’t seem to have enough cap room to get through both FA and the draft right now, even with Tre’s $10M coming after June 1st. Or maybe I’m missing something. I’m just trying to figure out where the extra cap space is coming from since they seemed to have left some cap space on the table with Allens restructure.

lol I told y’all he was gonna get $12-$14M per and never coming here.

Something’s gotta be off with the cap calculation or there are still some more moves still coming because we can’t field a full team right now cap wise according to the cap numbers last updated in this thread. We wouldn’t even be able to sign any rookies, let alone fill out the rest of the roster.

Honestly think this is an upgrade for Cincy.

Yes!!!!! Love it!!!