Alphadawg7

Almost anyone who knows football and how to grade a WR.

I predict this thread is a gonna be fun read 3 years from now like the "wrong Josh" thread.

No he wasn't. He was going to go early in the 2nd and maybe on the next pick to the Pats where everyone thought he would be there pick if still on the board.

Coleman is a football player. Bills fans will realize this kid can ball soon enough. If you think you know Coleman because of his 40 time then you don't know anything about him.

I hate the Pats got Polk, he was one of my favorites. I knew he was going early in the 2nd if not end of round 1.

Good post. The obsession with 40 times is comical to me. He plays faster than his "40 time" and the gauntlet is a much more significant speed test and has to do a lot more with on field game speed. Give me anyone of Mitchell, McConkey, Coleman, Franklin, or Polk in round 2 and I will be a happy camper. Doesn't matter to me if its at 33, on a trade back, or at 60. Anyone of them this round and I will be thrilled. And I would take all 5 of them over Worthy, Legette, or Pearsall (I love Pearsall, but he wasn't the right fit for us)

Im not negative, I really like Deebo and watching him play. I pushed back on the over exaggeration though of Deebo and the reference to him being a generational talent. I don't share the same outlook that he is a perfect fit for us though. We need a boundary WR that can attack all 3 phases of the field, especially downfield. That is not Deebo. He is ok WR whose value is in YAC and short areas of the field where you get the ball in his hands and let him see what he can do. We already have 3 guys who specialize in that area and out of the slot in Shakir, Samuel, and Kincaid. And quite frankly, Shakir is quite good at YAC and has been referenced as being "Deebo lite" last year. For as good as Deebo is as a football player, he isn't that special as an actual WR downfield. It is why him and Aiyuk compliment each other so well. He needs to be next to an Aiyuk not a Shakir or Samuel IMHO.

Do you watch Deebo play? Because I do, and he is not the best WR on his own team, let alone better than Diggs has been. My wife is a die hard niners fan and we watch every game. Deebo is a nice player but he isn't a generational talent. And if you think any team would take Deebo over Marvin Harrison Jr, Malik Nabers, or Rome Odunze right now you are mistaken. Those guys are seen a generational talents whose ceilings vast exceed what Deebo is and at a fraction of the cost and younger age. And there are a lot of WR's in the NFL that make the Bills better than Deebo would. And I like Deebo, hes a good player. But he is not a generational talent, nor is he HOF bound, which if someone who is a vet at 28 is being labeled a "generational talent" they better be on a HOF trajectory. Deebo is excellent on YAC, but he isn't "great" at anything else. One of those "Jack of all trades, but master of none" type players. But come on...generational talent? Thats a Megatron, Moss, Julio, Hopkins, etc kind of player. If we are going to label guys like Deebo "generational talents" then they suddenly become not so rare.

Agreed. There is no need to make this move. He is talented, so obviously not the worst thing from on who is on the field stand point, but overall, I don't like the move for the Bills nor do I think they would do it. But you never know

Ok...lets look at the next 10 teams on the clock behind the Bills to see where we could maybe make another move to. I highly doubt we go even that far, Beane was ready to pick at 32 and made clear he doesn't want to go way down in the 2nd and already turned those offers down at 28. Maybe he gets one too good to pass up, but since we know he prefers to stay close, I am only looking at the next 10 picks. 33 (580) - BUF: WR, S, DL, CB, IOL are all areas we could take a player from, and all have guys we could take at 33 here. But we know WR is the most pressing need. 34 (560) - NE: Near lock to be offense and either OL or WR, probably WR. 35 (550) - ARI: Its not gonna be a WR, it will be Newton, Cooper, Kool-Aid, JPJ, or Frazier most likely. 36 (540) - WAS: They are focused on OL help 37 (530) - LAC: Sure bet to be a WR 38 (520) - TEN: Solid chance could be WR 39 (510) - CAR: Highly unlikely it will be WR 40 (500) - WAS: Moderate chance it could be WR 41 (490) - GB: Unlikely to be WR 42 (480) - HOU: No chance it will be WR So if the Bills wanted to trade back, there are only maybe 3 teams that could very well take a WR. NE at 34, LAC at 37, and maybe TEN at 38. So I think the Bills can maybe move back within the 30's still and feel good about still getting one of Franklin, Mitchell, McConkey, and Coleman if they like all 4 which they spent a lot of time with all 4. Then there is still possibly Tez Walker later they spent a lot of time with too. My guess, if Beane moves again it would probably be with Washington at 36 to say ahead of the Chargers. Only one team likely to take a WR between those picks (of course a team can always trade up too), but would assure us one of the 4 they have shown the most interest in.

Yes I can think of a dozen WR's before blinking an eye that make this team better Deebo does. Honestly, I can name 3 WR's in this draft that I would take without question over Deebo to make this team better. Deebo is a nice player, dont get me wrong, I like Deebo and enjoy watching him play. But "generational talent"? Same WR who has broken 900 yards once? If I am being totally honest, he is maybe the 5th best player on his offense, at best 4th (depending on where you rank Kittle) behind Trent Williams, CMC, Aiyuk, and Kittle.

DUH

Because I don't care to invest time to look into something that has almost no chance of happening.

Poll is easy, top of starting new post there is a tab to add a poll 0% chance that is happening. Beane literally said he had planned on picking at 32 until Carolina called last minute. So there are guys he likes here and he specifically stated the importance on getting more picks in the first 95 picks as critical to this draft. He isn't gutting all our picks for next year. 0% chance he had to get the Pegulas blessing to move back 4 spots and then 1 spot. That is his job, he isn't on the hot seat, he has the one of the best track records in the NFL since his hiring in the draft. Pegulas are not meddling or signing off on minor routine moves like that. What gives you that idea? Because we moved back 5 spaces in a very deep draft to get a valuable 3rd round pick back we didn't have and added much more value later too? No disrespect, but its like someone of you think the NFL draft is a 1 round thing or bust. 2nd and 3rd round picks are very valuable and its how you build rosters. Moving back 5 picks changed nothing on who we will draft and we added great value to our draft arsenal.

Not what it says above...says it jumps his cap hit by $16M. I didn't look into it, just trusting what I am reading in this thread.

Wow, that is quite the over exaggeration there. He is a nice weapon, especially after the catch. But he is not a great deep ball WR, he doesn't have the best hands, and Brandon Aiyuk is by far the better actual WR on that team. Deebo makes up for what he lacks as a pure WR in his YAC and his versatility as a runner. He also has injury issues. But the issue is that we have Samuel, Shakir, and Kincaid who are all going to attack from the slot and the short to medium areas of the field. That is Deebo's sweet spot, so I don't know he is such a great fit for us. We need a true boundary WR who can attack all 3 phases of the field more than another short area attack weapon.

How on Earth is this nonsense 10 pages already? LMAO Guess y'all didn't learn your lesson in yesterday's like 80 pager on how we are gonna make a big move up in the draft nonsense lol. Diggs trade only increased his cap hit $3M...thats a BIG difference in the $16M it jumps SF cap hit.

Once again, a 5th rounder has value beyond one season. So saying DHop is better in the one season doesn't compare the value of the two players to the team overall. And no disrespect, but adding DHop, or any other aging veteran, on a 1 year rental doesn't at all keep this from being a transitional year with all the changes we are going through not only in the WR room, but across the roster. Im fine getting a vet in here, but we have $31M in dead cap at WR this year. We don't need to spend another $15M and draft picks on a one year aging vet rental. Spend the draft pick on a young WR in this deep WR class who won't cost us much of anything cap wise in comparison.

Mark Andrews is not the player he once was and I would take our guys, especially Kincaid, over theirs. Flowers is not that impressive and more of a complimentary WR than a lead WR.

You left a couple OL guys off there who could be in play as well. For me...if we make this pick, I would be pretty stoked about any of these 4 players: DeJean, Mitchell, or McConkey. I would be happy with Franklin too but I do think with the talent on the board here, we might be able to move back another small move and still get him where as I think DeJean, Mitchell, and McConkey come off the board before Franklin does here near the top of the round. If I had to make guess on who they will pick...I think its either Cooper (who they probably didn't expect to be there) and Franklin (who they showed a LOT of interest in leading up to draft). Beane said he was planning to pick at 32 until Carolina called. So we know there is someone they want here and willing to take. But he did say he already got several calls for this pick and expected more today, so will just depend on what types of moves come in. He definitely doesn't seem willing to move very far from here though if we do trade back as he those options at 28 and turned them down. Then again, if someone makes him a generous offer anything is possible.

You know value to the team extends past 1 year right? What I said was that the young player has more value unless you see that DHop is the missing piece this year to get over the hump. And I don't think anyone looks at us right now and says "if they only had that 1 old vet WR they would be the SB favorites this year" except for maybe some people on here. And there is no way to know how much DHop can or can't help this team until we see just how well the changes are key starting spots on both sides of the ball pan out in what is a semi-transitional year. So yes, I think in a WR draft class this deep that a 4th round WR very much could have more value to this team than just wasting cap space and a draft pick on DHop. Shakir was a 5th round pick. What if we had not drafted Shakir and instead used that pick on an aging 1 year rental of a vet WR instead? You think that would have changed anything against the Bengals where we got embarrassed and dominated in the trenches, where Bengals were more physical and Dorsey got his a** handed to him from a coaching stand point? Where is the guy who was screaming at everyone here because we didn't sign Julio Jones that year lol? I will take Shakir over any 1 year aging vet rental that would have made absolutely no difference in the finality of our season that year. And that is not even a close decision what so ever. The obsession this board has with aging names they now is crazy to me. DHop last year coming in and elevating what was seen as a Championship roster made some sense. But right now, in a loaded WR draft class and with a transitional change across the roster, give me the rookie over the aging 1 year vet all day long.

And the Bills were supposedly frantically trying to make a big trade up in the draft, even more "heaven and earth" to do so just to find out Beane never made one call to make a big trade up nor did anyone call him. So call me skeptical...

We literally have the best TE room in the NFL with Kincaid and Knox. And sorry, there is no way Balt has a better group than us. And you are posting this BEFORE the Bills address the WR position too.

I could see the possibility of a vet...but no idea why Bears would move DJ Moore, that isn't happening nor should it. Godwin doesn't make a lot of sense for our WR room right now and has had injury issues. DHop maybe, but depends on what it would take. I mean would we want a 1 year rental on DHop over say taking another WR with the pick we would use to take him? I would think the lower cost and youth would be more attractive than 1 year of DHop at this point unless DHop was gonna for sure get us over the hump. With DK, I am not sure what his contract situation is or what it would take to get him away from Seattle. But I am not even sure he is really available either. But I do agree with your premise that a less costly vet is a potential option.

I would curb your expectations...Beane made it pretty clear this isn't a move he thinks we need like we did when we traded for Diggs. I think this is less likely than the thought we would trade a bounty to move up in the draft. Nothing is off the table or impossible, just saying, this was always unlikely based on everything Beane has said, our cap situation, etc. And then the 3 WR contracts to the 2 Eagles WR and St. Brown happened making this even more unlikely as the price on these guys contracts will be even higher now. So just wouldn't get your hopes up even though I wouldn't 100% rule it out either as you never know, just very unlikely.