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I disagree. One, most “draft profile sites” are not run by real scouts and are mostly born out of fantasy football fans and research who made a job out of their passion. Which is fine, but they aren’t the definitive source, don’t have anything close to the data, info, interviews, or even skills to really accurately break these guys down, otherwise they would be working in the NFL. In the NFL scouts were split on him, but there were a lot of them who felt he was one of the most ready to contribute early, and a lot of that has to do with his high football IQ and how much a junkie he is for football, learning, and development. Doesn't mean he doesn’t have things to work on to excel on the field, but that’s true for every rookie coming into the NFL, it’s more about do they do enough fundamentals correctly to where you can spend more time getting them ready for the NFL vs having to build the kid up first. And Coleman checks a lot of boxes for a lot of people. Even Beane praised things like his footwork and understanding of the game as traits they saw in him and how he could come in and play the X this year. Truth is…if you disagree with the Keon pick and doubt him then you can find all the confirmation bias on the internet you want for that. If you think it’s a good pick and are excited for him, you can also find all the confirmation bias you want on the internet, because people were spilt on him. But…the thing that stands out for me is that MANY of the sites negative on him were NOT negative on him until after he ran his 40 at the combine. What that tells me is that they aren’t grading him on all the data, they are letting the combine 40 paint a picture and tell a story where now they are fitting the narrative around that. They aren’t factoring where he excelled or his much faster 40 at his pro day, etc. There were a lot of people who had him a lock for the first and ahead of guys like Thomas until his 40 time. And it’s why Beane said “good” when he didn’t put this best 40 time at the combine because it would make it easier to get him.

Exactly…but lots of people here couldn’t get over the incomplete pass in the playoffs bs the Dolphins and decided to over look that and exaggerate the tiniest sample size of a rookie and make it a thing. Not only was it a narrative leading up to the season where I had to keep defending Shakir, but it persisted into the season as well. I put this thread up early in the season this year and still was getting this false narrative of he can’t catch among other things. Lot of doozy takes in this thread and fun read ha Shakir should be given some of Gabe’s snaps…prove me wrong

Yeah, it was a pretty remarkable stat…especially for a guy so many people told me earlier in the year “couldn’t catch” lol.

He’s already penciled into job though, he’s not so much battling for it like how say Hollins, Claypool, and MVS are battling for their place in the pecking order. He would have to either get hurt or have a pretty disastrous camp for someone in the bottom half of the WR room to over take him while they simultaneously had a sensational camp. And Coleman was one of the more NFL ready WRs in the draft and has already shown early signs that make the concept of him having a disastrous camp feel pretty unlikely. So you’re not wrong, he hasn’t proven anything, but he’s shown enough that the idea that anyone but him will be playing the X WR1 position week 1 feels pretty unlikely.

I put this thread up early in the season last year calling for more Shakir and less Davis...some interesting takes in here hahahaha Shakir needs to be given some of Gabe's snaps...prove me wrong

He was #1 in catch % amongst all WR's in the NFL, the guys ahead of him were RB's. And it paid off...so now its time to go to the next level

Ha, I didn’t realize it wasn’t more widely known. I knew just from various press conferences or interviews like this one where it was just casually mentioned in the past. But I do also listen to like every Beane or McD interview as well as some of the players like Allen, Diggs, etc or any of the team/player pieces like embedded and the recent Shakir and Moulds piece. My wife teases me all the time about it and says “well there’s worse things you could be addicted to” hahaha

Im not sure which one of your guys comments I laughed harder at…the box art or the Taylor Swift. Bravo…both of you win the internet today 😂😂😂 One of the few people ever who I could say with confidence was gonna be a bust before ever stepping on a football field. I was praying we weren’t dumb enough to draft this guy. When you are that big of a deuche there is only one outcome lol

Yes we are going to grass! Which is amazing

Are you referring to say target volume or the actual X WR role, your WR1 spot? If it's the actual WR1 spot, then that is Keon barring some sort of injury or disastrous camp. If its target volume, then that is probably a 3 way battler between Keon, Kincaid, and Shakir on who is kind of the go to guy in terms of targets per game. For me the bigger question is who takes the bulk of the snaps opposite Keon as the other boundary WR. We know Shakir will mix in some there, but I think its pretty clear he will take more snaps from the slot and attack all over the field from there more than the outside. So will that be Samuel when Shakir is inside, or will someone like Chase, Hollins, or MVS rise up and get those snaps is the question I am really intrigued by.

CB: Can Elam rise up or not is something I’m interested to see. S: Does Bishop push to start early WR: More so just want to see if Chase Claypool can play his way up the depth chart to start opposite Keon IOL: Mainly the battle to see who starts at Center Im also excited to see how Carter and Solomon mix in on the DL and what Ray Davis does in the backfield.

Thanks for the further insight on Clayton, I had not really done any looking into him and only thing I knew was the Rugby connection and his athletic talents from just some of the buzz when we picked him. So didn’t realize it was the 8th tier. Hopefully football turns out to be his calling. The little footage we got to see of his workout didn’t look like a guy who never played, so hopefully he can find his groove here. And yeah, that stretch of All Black teams was ridiculous and just absolutely loaded. I mean McCaw and Carter have cases to be the best players of all time in Rugby, and to have them on the same team was wild. I’ve met and hung out with Carter at the USA 7’s tournament in Vegas, he’s a really cool dude and incredibly nice guy. I don’t know if you are familiar with Todd Clever, but he is probably the best American Rugby player of all time…he’s a good friend of mine and one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. He said that era of the All Blacks was the most dominant team in sports history.

Hahaha perfect description of a night out with ruggers. Last time I was out with a bunch, they thought it was funny to keep handing me another full gin and tonic before I was half way done with my current one. I pretty much was slamming and two fisting G&T's until 5am lol. Yeah, the journey wont be easy, but what an athlete. I have to say the little footage they showed of his workout wowed me, his footwork didn't look like a guy who had never played the position before. So I am excited to see how he comes around.

Yeah, they really are and they are just good people too. It would be fun and amazing if Travis Clayton can eventually make the roster here. He’s an unreal athlete too. I’ll be pulling for him.

Haha...yeah, they be fast. Very fast. In fact, they would play a Rugby match, go to the pub and pound drinks with the opposing team until 4am, and then still run you down. Not sure if you or anyone else remembers, but in 2018 I actually bought an expansion team for the professional rugby league in the US is called MLR. Named the team Vegas Burn after the media network I owned called BurnTV. Unfortunately my lead investor defaulted on the follow along operational capital 8 months into it, so had to pull out and MLR gave me back my deposit. Couple years later, the expansion slot I had ended up becoming the Los Angeles Giltinis instead which is still a team today. But before all that happened, I approached the head of the All Blacks and we reached an agreement to be the US team for some of their players. MLR only allowed 3 foreign players on each roster though because they want to grow the sport in the US and wanted to prevent the teams from being over loaded with players from outside the US. But before my investor defaulted, I was at the 2018 Rugby 7's World Cup in San Francisco where the All Blacks won the World Cup and got to go to their private party at a SF bar they rented out for the night. It was a total blast, the whole World Cup weekend was incredible. The community or Rugby and its players are incredible...but your liver will be miserable trying to keep up with them at the bar lol.

Hahaha same! LFG! Yeah, some of this was in the embedded episode, so was great to see a bigger piece on him and Moulds. Fun seeing the few Moulds highlight clips too...what a shame he didn't have a Josh Allen or prime Jim Kelly and got stuck in QB purgatory.

IMHO its an easy answer for me...the New Zealand All Blacks (Rugby) The New Zealand All Blacks are the winningest sports team in history of any sport in the world Over 112 years they have a 77% win percentage which is not only the best all time of any sport, but pretty insane. Past 4 years their win % is 95% They also dominate women's Rugby too. They are the most dominant sports team in world history and have a plethora of the greatest to ever play the game in their history. No team has dominated a world sport to the degree that they have. Fun fact: Rugby despite being one of the bigger sports in the world, is currently the 2nd fastest growing sport for both men and women. PS: If anyone is interested, Amazon Prime does a series called "All or Nothing" which is very similar to HBO's Hard Knocks style of show, but they have done all kinds of sports and not just football. And the one on the New Zealand All Blacks is quite a good watch, even if you aren't that familiar with Rugby.

Maybe its one of the other WR's trying to earn a spot for the Bills or our PS outside the top 6 guys (or Isabella as that ain't Isabella HA). I honestly couldn't pick those other guys out of a lineup haha.

Good question, not sure...maybe someone who is part of Moulds team or maybe another WR from another team or a college WR who hired Moulds too. Be my best guess

And a testament of why you need a GM

I know there are plenty of detractors out there regarding our current group of weapons around Josh, but man, I am amped for this group and this guy Shakir is one the reasons. I really can't wait to see what him, Keon, and Kincaid look like this year. And if Claypool rises out the corpse of his career into the potential he showed his first 2 seasons, this offense will be wicked. The tweet above only has a clip from the full piece...below is the full 20 minute piece on Shakir and Moulds, its 100% worth the watch IMHO. Shakir isn't here to have a role, he is on a mission to be one of the best in the league! Whether he reaches those heights or not we will have to see, but you gotta love that he is pushing himself so hard to try and get to those top goals!

But most of his career he was a backup when he showed he should be the feature RB. We shoudln't have drafted Lynch and we definitely shouldn't have drafted Spiller. He was splitting carries his entire time here, most the time as the 2nd RB. The fact he "outlasted 2 first round picks" is a testament to how foolish it was to not make him the lead back and not waste 2 first round picks on a RB.

Yeah, I know the look, and I wouldn't say anything extreme that it was all the time as he had some impressive games and moments too...like Darnold did. But there was more of this than I would like to see for a guy I was taking number 1 overall. There is just something about how he carries himself when its not going well, almost like his confidence is fragile or something. For example, Josh Allen might throw a pick but he is coming to kill you on the next drive still. And if he is off that day with his arm, he is gonna try and truck over every defender with his legs. He just lays it all on the line every play, every game, with the mindset he can get it done. I don't get that at all from Caleb when things are rough, its like he doesn't know what to do. Allen dont give a ****, he will revert to playground ball to try and win. I get why the Bears took him...but me personally, after years of QB purgatory, I would have tried to dangle the #1 pick to either Washington or NE for a nice haul and taken Maye personally. I would rather roll the dice on Maye's higher upside and hedge my bet with valuable draft assets in the trade down that can arm me to get another QB in a future draft if Maye flops. But I am also not an NFL GM trying to keep his job either lol Then again, this is the Bears who have never developed a QB really maybe ever...so maybe the safer Caleb is more appropriate. But I think Maye has some of that Josh Allen dog in him, the leave it all on the line demeanor out there. And that is the kind of stuff players around them love and rally for, and its what I think Caleb lacks. I would rather take a guy who oozes the things you can't teach but needs to work on the things that are coachable...then take a guy who has better fundamentals or base skills but maybe is lacking in some of those unteachable traits. And who knows, Caleb may excel there, they are loaded with weapons. By no means am I condemning the kids career, but I do feel like his future greatness isn't as sure of a thing as some think.

Nicknames are for people on the roster...Chase hasn't made the roster yet. I am rooting for him though...but its too early for a nickname

Two things...one for him, and one against him: Reports were that Patrick Mahomes was looking bad and throwing a lot of picks during the offseason leading up to his first starting season. Obviously those early reports meant nothing and he lit the league up and hasn't stopped since. So I would caution anyone over analyzing anything going on right now. Jamar Chase was also reportedly dropping passes everywhere his rookie camp and then blew up as a rookie. Coming into the draft I have not been on the Caleb bandwagon, I think he is overrated just like I kept telling everyone Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen were overrated leading up to those drafts and thought both had high bust potential. Darnold just made so many head scratching or bad decisions at USC that I was shocked his hype was so high. Rosen was so unlikable that I just felt his ceiling was Jeff George/Jay Cutler and his floor was Ryan Leaf. I know several people who knew Rosen and every one of them couldn't stand him and said he was a total douche and didn't take football seriously. But why Caleb - I question if he has the "it" factor. Im not saying he will be a bust, but I definitely don't think he is a sure thing like so many seem to think. Its more than his suspect play in some big games...it's just something about him just makes me doubt his ability to be the leader a QB needs to be to get to a higher level in the NFL. I actually think Maye has a higher ceiling than Caleb, just also has more risk and a lower floor than Caleb. I don't dislike Caleb like I did Rosen, its more similar to how I felt about Darnold where I understood the high draft status, but still have concerns and doubts he can live up to the hype and potential. Rosen on the other hand I was certain would be a bust, I wanted no part of him whatsoever.