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Josh took less punishment this year than any season he has been a pro, so this is just taking one play, a play where Josh did not have to do what he did but still did it in the first game of the season and exaggerating it to represent something the season wasn't. There will never be a season in Allens prime where he doesn't take some hits, that is just never going to change even if we had Moss, Rice, and Megatron as our 3 WR's. I mean this is exactly what I said would happen if the Bills still had a top 5 offense (ended up being #1 in AFC and 16th best all time) that the doom and gloomers would just again say "Its all Allen". And lets be real, if Allen and the Bills had this exact same season but had a "Chase" like WR on the team, you would instead be saying see I told you he needed that elite WR. The truth is, no matter what the offense accomplishes...no matter Josh accomplishes...you and others will say "Its all Josh" until you get the WR's you want. Only then will you guys start to give credit to others, when the others are the players you want. Oh come on man, even you know that Cam Newton is not remotely close to Josh as an actual QB. This lazy and played out comparison needs to stop. Yes, they can be dangerous runners of the football in both an athletic and a physical way, but the similarities literally stop there. Newtons game went south because he didn't have the ability to play at a high level as his physical advantages started to shift. Yet...Josh Allen has been 10x more durable than Burrow. Bengals have missed the playoffs 2 years in a row where Allen and Bills have been the 2nd seed both those years. Bills were a ref screw job away from reaching the SB this year when the Bengals can't even make the playoffs. The Bills scored more points than the Bengals despite the Bengals having no defense and had to throw all year and had to go balls to the wall every game and for all 17 games...while the Bills coasted in the 2nd half of many games as they had the most wins by 20+ in NFL history and Allen sat week 17. Allen also won his first MVP, Burrow hasn't even been a legit finalist for one. So yeah, doesn't seem like Allen "needed" Chase by any stretch of the imagination. Meanwhile...Chiefs final 2 seasons with Hill...Blown out in SB by Bucs defense and shut down by Bengals in AFCCG. 3 years after trading Hill and having no "Chase" they had 3 straight SB births with 2 wins. Patriots with no Chase and JAG WR's, 6 Super Bowl wins...with the GOAT Moss plus Welker ...no SB wins and shut down in the Super Bowl. Bills with prime Diggs only even reached the AFCCG once in 2021. Without Diggs, Josh MVP and Bills were a screw job away from the SB thanks to the refs flipping the game in the 4th taking 2 first downs away on the same 4 down series. The only thing shocking is how you still want to insist we do "need" a Chase. Would it be great if we drafted someone that turned into a comparable to Chase, absolutely...to still continue to insist we "need" one when all facts, statistics, and history say we don't is mind boggling. I mean he is better than Edelman and the Pats won 3 SB's with Edelman. And as I mentioned above, 0-2 with Moss and Welker getting shut down and losing to a mediocre Giants team twice. So yea, I would pay him that if that is what it took. But I also do not think he will cost that much, I do think there will be a discount to stay with the Bills as Shakir loves it in Buffalo, loves his teammates, loves Allen, loves the organization, etc. He is motivated to stay here and the Bills are motivated to keep him. More importantly, Shakir is a physical receiver and on a 5th round rookie contract. It will be risky for him to play his deal out and get to FA because an injury impacting his season this year could severely impact his FA value the following year. So there is a lot at risk for him to play under this same deal this year given his style of play. So Shakir and his team will be motivated to get a deal done now and take less vs what he might get as a FA another year from now because it gives him the financial security he lacks right now for him and his family. I think 3 years and will come somewhere between $45M or the low 50's.

Key role though? I mean this is the same SB where the Chiefs were losing 34-0 at one point thanks to the smothering DL of the Eagles. No disrespect Beck, but Duke Williams could have replaced DeVonta Smith that game and KC still gets slaughtered. Also, I am confused by your statement of Bills being 0-2 in getting immediate contributions on 1st and 2nd round receivers. Who are the 1st and 2nd round guys? They spent a first to get Diggs and he was a stud out the gate, and in the draft the only other WR they took in those rounds was Keon. Keon made some plays and an injury derailed him ans he was starting to emerge. And if the other is Kincaid, out the gate he had the 4th most receptions and 10th most yards for a rookie TE in NFL history. So he came out the gate pretty good. 0 Not only no playoffs, but only one of those 4 teams actually made the playoffs in the last 2 years. Out of the 4, the Bengals have missed the last 2 years and Miami missed this year.

Bills used their first round pick on Keon. There is no reality where that isn’t true just because you want to use semantics where the Panthers gave us a free pick to move 1 more pick back changing the technicality of what round that actual pick got booked in. The reality is the Bills had a first round pick and turned it into Keon whether it was pick 28, 32 or 33 is absolutely irrelevant. If it makes you sleep better at night to say “Bills first pick” instead of “first round pick” because you want to pretend we didn’t actually take our first rounder and use it to get an offensive player, then you do you.

I didn't say I was against signing him, but he isn't going to sign for anything close to $20M. Spotrac has Shakir at like $19.7M (although I think he signs on a home town discount for less). Higgins is the only high quality WR on the market. Next best is Cooper who is a class below Higgins. And I didn't say he was worth $30M, but that doesn't mean he won't still get closer to $30M than $20M. I mean Christian Kirk who was far less accomplished than Higgins got $20M per when he signed with the Jags and that was like 3 years ago. $25M is about what I think he is worth, but I think there is a reasonable chance he can get more, probably like $27M+ per

Higgins isn't signing for $20M or anything close to that. He is gonna get high 20's or maybe even 30M per.

Shakir is going to get extended, Josh and the staff absolutely love him, and I think it happens this offseason personally. Bernard if I had to guess probably gets extended, but he isn't as certain as I would have previously thought. Benford and Cook are questionable based on contract demands. We all know what is going on with Cook right now, I have a hard time believing Beane is going to cave to his antics and make him one of the highest paid RB's in the league. I mean he is a 2 down back who is a liability in pass protection to the point he comes off the field for a journeyman RB in Ty. And he isn't doing himself any favors IMHO choosing to handle it this way and so publicly out the gate. I mean Beane has shown to be fair to his guys and pay to keep guys that earn those next deals. For Cook to take this approach now, this early, is just off putting IMHO and I am not sure Beane is going to appreciate these antics either. If $10.2M would get it done, then yes, I would say he probably gets extended, but he seems to want a lot more than that. Benford I have a feeling he is going to get a top 5 CB contract...and the question is two fold - Is he worth that and will Beane pay that. I am not sure about either of those answers, but I do hope we can get a bit of a hometown discount and find a way to reasonably keep him.

Hahaha - Well played

What does that have to do with anything we are discussing? I mean you really want to discuss a WR that had 20 catches in 8 games and averaged 37 yards per game? And Cooper came here and fully bought into the everybody eats style of offense too. But hey...lets disregard the greatest offense in Bills history, 16th best in NFL history, Allens first MVP, the numerous offensive records this team set, the most points scored in the NFL this year...and go back to the old ways because you don't care about how many points we scored and only seem to care about "how" or "who" scores the points. That is what makes sense? I can assure you that no one person inside the Bills organization is entering this offseason thinking "we need to change the offense back to the old ways" and feed one alpha WR every game to the tune of 160 targets a year.

Yet the whole team bought into it, became the 16th greatest offense of all time, was historically great, set numerous offensive reocrds, Allen had his most effective season and won MVP, we exceeded all expectations going 13-3 with Allen, won our division and got the 2 seed and went further in the playoffs than we have in 5 years and missed a SB thanks to refs stealing the game in the 4th.

I agree that its no sure thing Seattle will move DK, but there is talk they could listen, so that is why I was just like throw an offer at them and see if they bite. But I totally agree with you about Slayton, IMHO I think he makes the most sense on the FA market, would prefer him over bringing Cooper back. This guy is better than I think a lot of people realize and would bring an element to this team it lacks. If we can get DK that would be great, but I think Slayton is the more realistic get and I would be good with him coming here and then still probably grabbing a guy in the draft.

And we saw Allen be turnover prone and the offense was not nearly as good as what it was this season which was historically great. I really don't think they are interested in going back to that feed the ball to one guy style of offense, nor should they. Doesn't mean you don't add a great talent, but I think that talent needs to buy in to what we do, not force us to change what we just did that led to Allens first MVP, the 16th best offense in NFL history, and numerous offensive team and individual records.

The answer to the Chiefs is being able to disrupt their passing game with your front 4. Bills have gotten dominated at the LOS against the Chiefs. Meanwhile, Bucs, Bengals, and Eagles (the last 3 teams, and only 3 teams, to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs the last 6 seasons) have dominated the Chiefs with their guys up front without having to bring all the extra pressure. We need an impact player on the edge and we need beef in the middle so guys like Oliver can be at their best and penetrate while someone next to him takes on double teams. This is a great offseason to address both...2 elite DE's could be available via trade at a time we can afford to go get one both in trade compensation and our cap...and the draft is a good draft to bolster our DL and get some size. With where this team is (which is a team that had a SB birth stolen by the refs when they flipped the game stealing 2 first downs from us on the same series of downs against KC), with almost all the most important players expected to return or returning, and with lots of extra draft capital...it will almost be failure to not get Crosby or Garret if they are indeed traded to someone. We absolutely need to be the highest bidder in one of those cases. And quite frankly, even if we trade for one of them, we should absolutely throw an additional trade at Sea and see if they bite on DK. This was already a SB ready team...adding those two would be huge and could make the difference between another 2 seed and the all important 1 seed now that they took the 2 seed bye away with the playoff expansion.

Make no mistake about it, its what the offense needs and the staff and FO know it and will get someone in that role whether its a trade, FA, or draft. I am 100% confident in that. Outside of that, dump the rest of our resources into the defense. Unless Cook gets traded, then we need to add drafting a RB in this class to the list, and its a good draft to do so.

Adams would be interesting, not sure how happy he would be in a "everybody eats" environment...but he can still play. I think the lure of a SB win with a team that was this close would keep him happy as long as we were winning. Still, I would prefer a younger solution as father time always wins and injury risk with older players is always something to worry about. But I don't hate the idea of Adams in Buffalo.

Definitely lesser Herbert = Phillip Rivers 2.0 Lawerence = Jeff George 2.0

I was previously on board with extending Cook...but now, this $15M per and his social media tactics of trying to do this in the public is turning me off. He is asking to be the highest paid back in the league when he is far from their level. He is a 2 down back because he is a liability in pass protection. Lets not forget, Allen kept calling Ty the best 3rd down back in the league too...a journey man RB being touted that much higher than a RB who wants $15M per year but can't unseat that journeyman on 3rd down who also isn't very big because Cook is a liability in pass pro and has a tendency to drop big passes. I think $30M over 3 years should be the range he falls in. Cook to me is not a guy who would do as well on another team, he isn't that Saquan, Mixon, Henry kind of RB that can succeed just about anywhere. He benefits greatly by Allen, this OL, and how the Bills run the ball. That makes him expendable. Everyone here says he is better than Davis, but Davis had a great game when he filled in for Cook when he was out. And while I agree, Cook is the better RB right now, look at what Davis and Ty did when given heavy work loads, they produced at a high level too. Cook is more a product of his environment than elite RB. And I hate how he is suddenly right out the gate trying to do this through social media and throwing out ridiculous contract demands while deleting the Bills. I would seriously consider trading him even though I had recently been saying I would like to extend him if the price was reasonable. Spend that money to help our god awful defense and at WR before you go overboard on spending on a 2 down RB.

Bills had the 16th most points per game of all time this year lol…most points per game of any team in the NFL over the last 5 seasons too. We just lost after scoring 29 against a team that had not broke 30 the entire season and a game later was down 34-0 late in the game of a blow out loss thanks to the Eagles defense. You want to worry about PPG than worry about our defense giving up 36 PPG in our 5 playoff losses the last 5 years. Worry about our defense being bottom of the league in first downs allowed and 3rd down conversions which takes away offensive possessions from the offense to score because our defense can’t get off the field and get the ball back. Yes we need to add a WR, but defense is absolutely a massive issue and by far the biggest reason we haven’t reached a SB and it’s not close. So we can’t keep putting a band aid on it and expect different results. We need to make some significant moves on defense, doesn’t mean don’t add a WR, it means we better also find a way to get better on defense or we are going to keep putting Josh in position to have to always be perfect, and that is a terrible place to put him in.

We had the 16th greatest offense in NFL History. Offense is not the problem you think it is. Some of you seem more concerned that we don’t score points the way you want to score points than if we score points. Because no one has scored more points than the Bills the last 5 seasons, we literally have the most points in the entire NFL.

There was a typo...its supposed to have said 4 of the last 6 in the first TWO rounds. Thanks for pointing that out, I will fix it. And as far as our first go, no its 3 of our last 5 because yes Diggs counts and so does Keon. In fact, its Diggs, Kincaid, and Keon...yes I get we traded back with Keon to make it "technically" our 2nd...but it was our first rounder that we used to get him, especially since Beane was taking him at 32 if it were not for Panthers 1 pick swap to where we get our same guy. I don't care about semantics like some others do, that was how we spent our first round pick...to get a WR regardless if it was at 32 or pick 33. And as I said above, we used 4 of the last 6 picks in the first 2 rounds (thats the last 3 drafts) on offense: Kincaid, Cook, Keon, O'Cyrus. Not to mention we already used this years 3rd on Cooper, also offense. The facts are that Beane and this team have prioritized offense for the past 3 seasons. The results: Highest scoring offense in the NFL over the past 5 seasons, including fielding the 16th highest scoring offense in NFL history this year and most in Bills history. And on the other side of the field? We have given up 35 points per game to the Chiefs in our playoff losses to them (4 of them), we fielded a defense that was bottom of the league in first downs allowed and 3rd conversions. We gave up 32 points to a team that didn't score 30 all season and that was down 34-0 in the second half of the Super Bowl a week later. It is unquestionable that defense has been the entire reason we have not reached a SB yet. KC has knocked us out 4 times, and 3 of those times they went on to lose the very next week where their average PPG is 17 compared to the 35 they average against us the week before.

Most those picks or signings were 3 to 7 years ago. You guys gotta stop living in the past. 3 of our last 5 first rounds picks were weapons for Allen. 4 of our last 6 picks in first two rounds were offense. One draft in the last 3 years was almost all offense. Yet there is a his myth we focus too much on addressing the D and the offense isn’t good enough. Meanwhile Bills have scored the most points in the NFL over the last 5 years. This years offense was the 16th best in NFL history and set numerous records as a team and as individuals. But on defense the Bills were almost dead last in both first downs allowed and 3rd down conversions. Bills have given up 35 points per game to the Chiefs in their 4 playoff losses to them. Yet the Chiefs are 1-3 in the next game after beating the Bills. And in those 3 losses, the Chiefs averaged just 17 points per game the very next week after averaging 35 against us. I get the concern based on the past, but not addressing the D is literally the worst thing the Bills could do this offseason. Our defense is the sole reason we haven’t been to the SB and it’s indisputable.

It’s like when we drafted Kincaid, I know for a fact from someone within the Chargers that Buffalo called to try and trade up with them. Chargers declined and had no interest in trading back as they were set in their guy. And it’s believed to have been to go get Addison. Just because one team wants to move up doesn’t mean the other team wants to move down. It’s like people around here have no concept of that when they play the “what if” or hindsight “should have” games.

I had BTJ and Ladd as the clear next best WR's after the big 3 of MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze. I loved Ladd and was actually terrified he was going to land in KC, and quite frankly was both relieved and surprised when they took Worthy instead. But as much as I loved Ladd, he felt redundant here after signing Samuel and having Shakir emerging. Bills were needing a guy on the outside and also needing some size and toughness in our WR room. So I never felt Ladd was the fit they were looking for and didn't expect us to draft him. I did however believe we would have traded up for BTJ if he reached 20 or lower and I was actually expecting a trade announcement from about pick 18 on even. When he got as close as he did and we didn't make a trade up to get him, I was a bit surprised as I thought he would be the only guy we would go up for realistically. I don't at all fault us for passing on Ladd, but I do think it was a mistake to not go up and get BTJ. Who knows, maybe Beane tried but was rebuffed, but at least nothing came out about us going up and the way Beane spoke post draft he just talked about trading back and made no mention of trying to make a small move up for anyone.

Browns will never take players back or contracts back, especially a high priced RB. They are in tank for 2 years mode to get out of cap disaster, worst in history, thanks to Watson's deal. They are going to stock pile draft capital that can return cheap contracts and be foundations of the future after the franchise destroying Watson impact is gone.

Not a chance Cook and his agent try for $15M...at least seriously enough to hold out. No one on planet Earth can possibly believe he would or should be paid that. BUT...it does make me concerned he is gonna want a bigger contract than we should invest in a RB. Now if we don't have any big contracts at WR, paying a RB higher money isn't much of an issue...until the time comes you need to pay a WR. For example, if we draft a rookie this year as our outside WR solution, he will be on a rookie deal, Keon is on a rookie deal, Shakir is on a rookie deal (although might get an extension this offseason), and Hollins is affordable. But if we try and sign Higgins, trade for DK, or find some other vet trade where there is more money at WR, then the RB contract is a problem. For me...I don't want to lock us out of WR money, so I would only extend cook if it was less than $10M personally. I like him, I do hope he stays, but the contract has to make sense. Davis is a promising RB himself, and this draft is loaded with enough RB talent to find a 1-2 punch to pair with Davis. And when you have this OL and Josh Allen at QB, you don't need a Saquan level RB to succeed here. In fact, I am quite skeptical Cook would live up to his deal on a lot of other teams if he got a deal north of $10M. Go spend the bigger money on Crosby or Garret.