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End thread here 👆 😂

Your comprehension is at an all time low…it’s not that there is variance, it’s the extremes of his variance. Hence why I provided you with all the data you are ignoring and desperately trying to skew and cherry pick (which is your total schtick and par for the course with you) in a desperate attempt to pull the foot from your mouth.

Because this convo has gone on and on, the actual point has been lost. The point is the significance in Amaris variance, not that there is variance in the first place. I mean let’s not be ridiculous and act like I was remotely suggesting there should be no variance, that’s absurd. Cooper has 45% of his career games under 50 yards. The number of games he has under 50, under 40, even under 20 yards is higher than what top end WR1s should have. So no, he’s not spot on. I never once stated there should be no variance, it’s football, of course their variance. I’ve talked about the DEGREE of variance with Cooper. And it’s factual, there is no denying the statistical facts of the boom or bust weekly variance of Coopers career. And back to my original point…you sign him if it’s a reasonable friendly deal. If he wants legit WR1 money…you don’t over pay a guy on the wrong side of 30 who drops too many passes and disappears for too many games.

Haha thanks for being so predictable…you won me a bet with my wife that this nonsense is how you would reply. She thought no way you would still try after it was clearly laid out for you. This I agree on. Which is why I said he was a good midseason add…and also why I said you resign Cooper if it’s a cost friendly deal. If he wants legit WR1 money it’s a pass. You don’t pay a guy legit WR1 money who has too many drops and disappears as often as he does, and who is also on the wrong side of 30. You left out what he averages in the other games, how many games under 50 yards, how many yards under 40 yards, etc. Go compare how many games Chase has under 20 yards compared to how many Copper has. So for someone accusing of manipulating numbers, you just did half the work to manipulate a point.

I did not in any way manipulate them. What did I state? I said he has some big games that make his season totals look better than his season really is where those handful of bigger games make up like 40% of his season totals. Which they do (often quite a bit more than 40% of his season totals) in pretty much every season of his career. You then respond saying he has a 200+ yard game and that manipulates the numbers. I mean that is exactly what I stated, VERBATIM my point. I said in his other games that are NOT his bigger games he averaged just 50 yards per game. Which again is factual. I did NOT say all 10 of his games were “bad”. I said that this was his average over those NON BIG GAMES in 2023 and every one of his seasons. I then additionally highlighted how many of those were “bad” by stating he had X number of games under X number of yards in each season. NONE of his games were ignored or not counted. A 89 yard game in a loss with no TDs on a 55% catch rate is NOT a big game. It’s a aight game at best. The separation was big games vs everything else. IMO, your mistake is associating every non big game as me claiming it was a “bad” game…but that was your assumption, no where did I state that. And in his best season (2023) he still averaged just 51 ypg in his non 5 big games and had 6 of those ten be under 40 yards. If 6 were under 40, then of course 4 of them had to be high enough to get his 10 game average back to 51. And if you took the time to properly understand my post and then checked each year after, you would see every other year of his 10 year career is worse than 2023. Every single game he has played was 100% accounted for in the 10 seasons I laid out. And to be clear, I’m not anti Cooper, I broke it down to counter the nonsense someone else posted. Unfortunately you just repeated the same mistake he made. The difference though is I am sure your post was more about legitimately misunderstanding my post.

lol…again, I said career, and I recall Amari playing ten years not one. Last year was his most outlier year, yet he still averaged 50 yards a game outside his 5 big games and had 6 games under 40 yards…SIX in his BEST year. I verbatim stated he has some big games that make up a large portion of his yearly totals while he has the majority of his game be meh to games he was missing in action. That was literally the entire point you seem to have completely missed. I don’t know what is worse…the fact you can’t distinguish between the word “career” vs a single year or the fact you just verbatim echoed my exact point in your attempt to refute information you didn’t read. 45% of Coppers career games he had UNDER 50 yards. But keep trying to refute things you didn’t read or analyze yourself.

I hope you are right, because Josh deserves it...he also had a pretty strong case last year for it too. If I am not mistaken, he set the NFL record for lowest completion % in a game (based on what ever min attempts the qualifiers was for). And it was his worst game maybe of his career.

Josh deserves the MVP. BUT...The offense struggling at home against a 3 win Pats team while Lamar sailed past Houston again has put the MVP in real question again for Josh after ending the Lions game as the overwhelming heavy favorite. Josh was awful against both Balt and Houston (historically awful against Houston)...Balt just steam rolled Houston. So Lamar now has steam rolling the Bills and steam rolling the other team Josh was terrible against on his MVP resume to go along with admittedly gaudy stats. If Josh doesn't steam roll the Jets this week, I think he may lose a close vote to Lamar. I say that because odds are we will see Josh either sit out the final week all together or maybe just play a quarter or a half as we will have nothing to play for. So lets hope for a big week from Josh and the offense because he deserves the MVP

LMAO...I don't know if there is anyone who talks more out of their a** than you. It’s wild to me that you can have so much confidence in your BS to where you won't even know the facts but yet still try and argue things you don’t know with people who do know. But since you asked so nicely for me to again dunk on another one of your bad takes and ridiculous false accusations, I am happy to oblige. First: What I said: "Not only does he have more drops than people realize, but his career pattern is a few big games that make up like 40% of his season totals, then the rest are meh to invisible games." - Note: You of course left the part out I said about the drops...because...well...even you can't spin that. And the point (which you also didn’t quote) was that Amari was a good midseason acquisition, but resigning him should only be done on a cost friendly deal, if he wants lead WR1 type money then no, too many drops and inconsistency for a guy like that who is also on the wrong side of 30. 2023 - 15 games: 5 big games. They made up 58% of his season totals. In the other 10 games he averaged 51 yards per game, including SIX under 40 yards. 2022 - 17 games: 5 good to big games. They made up 48% of his season totals. In the other 12 games he averaged 50 yards per game, including EIGHT games under 60 yards, 6 of which were under 40 yards. 2021 - 15 games: 2 big games. They made up 30% of his season totals. In the other 13 games he averaged 46 ypg, including NINE under 60 yards, 5 of which were under 40 yards. 2020 - 16 games: 4 good to big games. They made up 42% of his season totals. In the other 12 games he averaged 53 ypg, including SIX under 60 yards. 2019 - 16 games: 4 good to big games. They made up 49% of his season totals. In the other 12 games he averaged 50 ypg, including FIVE games under 50 yards. 2018 - 15 games: 4 big games. They made up 64% of his season totals. In the other 11 games he averaged 33 ypg, including EIGHT under 40 yards 2017 - 14 games: 2 big games. They made up 48% of his season totals. In the other 12 games he averaged 30 ypg, including NINE under 50 yards, 8 of which were under 40 yards. 2016 - 16 games: 4 big games. They made up 50% of his season totals. In the other 12 games he averaged 48 yards per game, including NINE under 60 yards, 7 of which were under 50 yards. 2015 - 15 games: 5 good to big games. They made up 57% of his season totals. In the other 10 games he averaged 10 games he averaged 46 ypg, including EIGHT under 50 yards. Cooper has 153 career games: He has under 50 yards 69 times (45% of his career games) - 54 of those games were under 40 yards (35% of his career games) - 42 of those games were under 30 yards. (28% of his career games) Hopefully you weren't too full from the holidays after having to eat another plate of humble pie here because I would hate for you to get a tummy ache sport Happy new year

I said his career…guess I didn’t realize Amari Cooper only played one season in 2023 lmao. But hey, expecting you to read well, actually address the comments written, etc at this stage would be foolish for anyone to expect.

He was a good midseason addition...but this is also par for the course for Amari's career and I would not bring him back unless its on a really cost friendly deal. If he wants WR1 money, hard pass. Not only does he have more drops than people realize, but his career pattern is a few big games that make up like 40% of his season totals, then the rest are meh to invisible games. Does he make our team better, yes...but how much better is questionable. In 4 of his last 6 games he has a total...a TOTAl...of 25 yards for a whopping 6.25 yards per GAME. That includes games of 0 yards, 3 yards, 10 yards, and 12 yards. Since joining Buffalo has is avg 34 yards per game catching 62% of his targets. If you can retain him cheap, then consider it...but if he wants legit WR1 money, pass.

You need a better schtick and/or hobbies

Nope, but it’s cute you’re trying to put words in my mouth per uge. I supported the trade before it happened, when it happened, and after it happened. Doesn’t change his factual production though.

You clinging to words like "desperate" to try and spin the long list of things you were wrong about is funny to me. Oh yes, our savior WR that averages 38 yards a game and has 3 games with 0 yards, 5 yards, and 10 yards.

I think you missed the part where in this thread people said that you had to have a dominant WR1. That is the point he was saying has been debunked. And those same people are claiming Cooper proves that, yet Cooper is averaging 38 yards per game and has 3 games with 0 yards, 5, yards and 10 yards. They might as well dig up the old Sammy Watkins decoy arguments then too.

This ^ Its also a testament to the leadership that Allen has shown this year as well as our coaches. To not only get them to buy in, but to stick to it and execute it like they have, its just an infectious way to play football at any level of football.

Shhhhh...the people who still want to spin they were right about their negative views before the season don't like these kinds of facts lol

No disrespect bud, but I said this to you before the season began and even I believe earlier during the season...that you can't hold on to your bias over stats in an offense that is literally built and designed so that there are no pass catchers with gaudy stats. We are arguably the best offense in the NFL and we are statistically first or 2nd in many categories...this obsession of where the WR group stats statistically rank is as meaningless as where someone was drafted once they get on the field. This offense is designed for the ball to go anywhere...there will be games where we are run dominant, there will be games where we are pass heavy, the leading receiver each week could be a WR, TE, or RB. That is the point of it, so to grade the group on stats has no value what so ever when its not made to produce big stats for individuals. Look at Shakir...put him on a team where he gets more volume like the Rams he would be a 1400 receiver this year. But here, he just isn't going to get those kinds of targets because that is not the philosophy of our offense. Samuel I give you has been a surprise to almost everyone, both sides thought he would be more involved than he is given he is barely involved at all. I called this before the season began...I stated that what happens when Josh Allen has his best season? I said those who were carrying all this negativity would just flip the script and give Josh and/or Brady all the credit. Again, I mean no disrespect...but what you just wrote here GREATLY devalues the plays the guys on the field are making to help Allen. I mean even in the Detroit game there were some very tough and big catches made that were not very accurately thrown balls that Ty, Knox, and others made that kept drives alive. I love Allen as much or more than just about anyone, but to say its all him, Brady and the OL is just flat out inaccurate. Guys have been making big plays all year for Allen and this offense both catching and running the ball. His season is as good as it is because when guys get the opportunities they are making the plays.

He said a lot of things that were wrong (including insisting Samuel would be a our #1 WR). Bottom line...none of the doom and gloom projected all offseason around here was accurate. Meanwhile, people like us had more optimistic views of the changes, Brady inserting his full system, the new everybody eats philosophy, liked the Coleman pick, thought Hollins would have a role here, and the addition by subtraction with Diggs and Davis gone kept insisting that the offense not only wouldn't fall off, but could be better and be Josh Allens best season of his career. All of which was much more accurate than any of the doom and gloom negative narratives that were being shoved down everyones throats about Coleman, Allen, the talent, firing Beane, the receivers, the OL, Brady, not winning the division, missing the playoffs, etc. But...But...But...they traded mid season for a "savior" WR who is averaging 38 yards per game and has 3 games of 0 yards, 5, yards, and 10 yards in his 6 games here...some of which Coleman was out hurt and still no production from him. That somehow validates everything else they were wrong about and they are trying to take victory laps still lol. Nobody got everything right on either side of this discussion, especially given this discussion went often past just the "receivers" plenty of times. But those who felt more optimistic about this season, the offense, etc got a lot more right than wrong compared to those who spent the offseason in negativeville and melt down mode. Some of the people trying dance about this topic wanted Dorsey over Brady, Beane fired, Hollins cut, any other WR other than Coleman, thought Shakir would decline, etc. But I do find those attempting to wash themselves in the spin cycle entertaining lol

This I don't disagree with you, but read the history here...this thread often went well beyond just the receivers in all its glory and many still said the pass catchers as a whole even beyond the WR's was amongst the worst in the league. And the point many of us kept trying to make...is with everybody eats it goes beyond only the WR's and that the groups strength was its diversity and everyone having a role to play and playing that role well.

Well its a good thing all the "pass catchers" are on the field at the same time as the WR's and just as eligible to catch passes then right 🤪

I love seeing stuff like this...so many people just don't ever want to come off an initial thought, impression, or opinion. So kudos to you sir This is what I was saying about him this offseason, that he is better than people realize and was signed to have a role here. He wasn't just another Kumerow type player like many assumed he would be. Glad to see he isn't the whipping boy around here anymore even though there are still a few that can't get past that, its definitely not the majority anymore.

We are not playing KC in the next few weeks...so I would rather he sit and hopes we can catch the 1 seed so we can beat Mahomes in Buffalo in the AFCCG

Its kind of hilarious how poorly and childishly you handle being wrong. One would think you would at least be used to it by now lol

You still think Dorsey is better than Brady?