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I don’t disagree, it’s why I said Ben got too much credit and praise for “Goff” who only regressed in LA because their OL became a casualty of their spending and a trainwreck. Once Detroit built up the line and talent around him, Goff became the more the guy he was when he led LA to their first SB appearance of McVays tenure. I was surprised Ben took the job without Poles being fired whose been an awful GM. Nothing is worse for a HC than being saddled with a terrible FO, let alone a first time HC.

I know I already answered your question, but let me ask you this as a follow up and a way to think about it, at least the way I think about it: What $47M cap expenditure makes the most impact on the win - loss record for the Bills: $47M on Micah and the loss of 2 first round picks. $35M on Justin Jefferson and $12M on Cook and 2 more premium first round prospects (or even trading those first round picks for other impact players). That is 4 players, including an elite player better at his job than Micah is at his, and an excellent RB and 2 more guys who are first round picks. And that is if you spend the $47M on just 2 guys - and really pick any two impact guys on either side of the ball, point remains the same. You could actually spend it on 3, maybe 4 impact players depending on the positions and still have 2 more guys from the 2 first round picks via drafting or trading those picks. That is why for me, Micah just isnt worth that much, he doesn't impact wins and losses to the same degree as a QB (the only other players making that much money) or the combo of great to elite players that can be spread around the team for that same cap space and also with the draft picks.

Come on dude - now you are trying to turn this into a defense discussion? I never responded to or discussed anything related to the defense. I simply corrected the false claims of the offensive average per game he made. This is starting to feel like a Naked Gun sequel. You literally just tried to manufacture a defensive convo I didn't once have or participate in to mask being wrong in your previous post. But now you also come right back in the same reply here and say "topic of this thread is about Brady's offenses" - after you just tried to talk about defense? And I already answered your question - but since its still somehow not landing, here it is again: The poster I responded to brought up the last 5 years and made it about the Allen led offense, not about Brady, and he cited incorrect numbers in his post about it. And I responded about his comments regarding the era he brought up, and corrected the inaccurate numbers he posted. So go ask him, like I already told you, it was his discussion not mine. You are clearly here to just argue at this point, no matter how illogical it gets No - neither Josh Allen or Joe Brady has. You want to talk about OJ next in terms of how the offense looked weeks 1 and 2 this year? Again, one comment you are "This is about Brady" then proceed to try and argue about defense and the Kelly era. Lol

No he did not. You cant seem to follow this convo very well. He said we put up 30+ while our defense gives up 33+ which wasn't even true. I think you need to read the posts better because you keep asking me things about stuff he keeps saying or he keeps incorrectly citing. For example 👇 Why dont you ask him this question - he is the one that keeps talking about non Brady years and including the last 5 years, and now bringing up the Kelly years too lol - I am only responding to his post that are lumping all this in, so you need to ask him these questions.

Huh? You said we average 30+ points per game in our last 5 playoff losses. Bills have not even been to 4 AFC championship games, what are you even talking about. 5 playoff losses: 29+24+10+36+24 = 123 and over 5 games that is 24.6 ppg. We only broke 30 one time in 5 playoff exits.

I didnt leave any games out, I pointed out the more recent performances as you keep wanting to discuss the past 5 years even though that has no relevancy to this topic. And I didn't even point out your numbers were wrong. You said "the offense averages 30+ points per game over the past 5 playoff losses" which is just a made up statement because the real number is 24.6 ppg. When someone just makes up numbers to sell a bias it is hard to even stay on topic at that point. Again, agree to disagree. There is no way an honest and unbiased review of the offense in the first 2 games comes away without things to work on or improve. You want to turn the cheek and think it was perfect, great, whatever suits you. I prefer to stay in the realm of reality where 251 yards came in 1 quarter made possible by 5 miracles and running a 2 min offense the whole quarter different than the offense we ran the other 7 quarters. And my personal opinion, play calling and execution were where we had the most to improve on in those moments. And what is silly about this, this back and forth has made it sound like I am concerned, which I am not and have to keep saying I am not concerned to be clear. But its more about how upset you are that others are being more unbiased when looking at what went well and also what did not go well for the offense these 2 weeks that should have really resulted in a 1-1 record.

I am not, read the person I responded too - they keep discussing the offense over the past 5 years under Allen, not just under Brady. They mentioned the PPG over the past 5 years in playoff losses, so I responded with the more recent 3 years doesn't pain the same picture, not to mention his original stats were incorrect which I didn't even address TBH.

Okay so we don't count games now. Should we not count the Pats game in 2022 because the Pats suck? I mean what are we even doing now. Picking and choosing what we count to pretend everything is 100% perfect all the time? All good, you want to pretend the offense was amazing weeks 1 and 2 with nothing to work on - thats your perogative. I on the other hand see room for improvement, especially in how we call plays so far the first 2 weeks if we want to win a SB this year. And I am confident we will, but that doesn't change the fact it had issues the first 2 weeks.

You seem to be disconnected from reality - the playoff losses the last 3 years say otherwise where our offense averaged 21 ppg. And in the last 2, it was the offense who came up short at the end to lose those games. Granted, the defense IMO has been way worse, but to pretend the offense hasn't had its own things both these 2 weeks and in the playoffs in losses is just not accurate at all.

I will be honest, there isn't a game we should lose on this schedule. Every year elite teams lose a game or two they shouldn't, so not saying we are going undefeated, but its hard to pick one we would lose. The only truly tough game will be Phi, and they are not the same team there were last year and odds are we have the 1 seed locked up by then and may not even play starters. So I am looking at the first 15 games, and there isn't a game where we are not a heavy favorite except KC where we will be a favorite, just may not be a "heavy" favorite like most every other game. No joke, we might be undefeated or sitting on just one loss heading into that Eagles game if the Bills can keep their focus and take care of the teams we should beat. If I had to guess, I am thinking NE sneaks a win in with a scrappy upstart team and divisonal rival. But still not sure we lose a game before week 15.

Except no one cares about regular season - the concern is when we lose in the playoffs, we see a lot of the issues we just saw in the first 2 weeks of the season end our season every year. So again, ignore the warts all you want, but history has shown these warts have sent us home several times in the post season. I very much believe this is going to be different this year, so dont take my comments as if I am down on the team, I am not. But there are valid concerns of where the offense had struggles during the first 2 weeks where week 1 really should have been a loss (thank you Balt) and week 2 performance is the kind of performance that might have been a loss against a better team or in the playoffs - at the very least a much closer game. So, no need to get upset over people discussing some of the issues that were affecting this offense that would be be problematic if they persist or show up in a key playoff game. Again - I am not concerned, the offense I expect to find its groove more, just naive to pretend we didn't have things we need to work on for this team to win a SB.

So you just keep glossing over everything still I see. So you have no concern that most of that in the 4th quarter had like less than a 1% chance of happening but did. So no concern about how we were in a 99% chance to lose until we got not one, not two, not three, not four, but 5 improbable lucky breaks to create all those yards and points? A 4th down where a lucky bounce got a TD...a missed XP by Balt...a improbable fumble by Henry...Lamars cramps forcing them to punt...Kyle Hamilton pulling up a millisecond early preventing him from blocking the game winning FG - and a bonus for Balt mismanaging the timeouts and clock giving us more time for our 41 year old kicker off the couch to make the kick. You want to depend on all that every single week to mask 3 quarters of losing football? Or week 2 - you want to gloss over our first TD and half our yards on that opening drive should have never happened if not for multiple Jets penalties baliling us out? Or how the Jets defense ill timed penalties extended many drives that should have ended on our own poor execution, or how the Jets offense kept giving us the ball back through poor play or turnovers. So again, you can cite stats all you want, but that doesn't translate to the offense was humming. And 251 yards of offense came in just 1 quarter and was made possible thanks to several lucky and improbable breaks we cant count on. Again, NOT worried about the offense, but this notion that everything was great because of the final scores is just ignoring context to support a bias. And look, I think we are the best team in football, but the unbiased truth is the offense has had its own struggles in the first 2 weeks to work through still. And I do believe we will and will look our best of the season this week against Miami.

I get wher you are coming from, but you are also burying your head and ignoring context and facts because of the final scores a bit here too. Bills stalled out multiple times on the opening drive where we still got a TD but Jets mistakes undid our mistakes and gave us free points. You see a scoreboard adding 7, but the reality is without Jets shooting themselves in their own foot, we don't get 7 there. This is just one example. Ravens - we should have turned the ball over on downs, but on a 4th down throw that got deflected by our TE it found its way to Keon, otherwise we turn the ball over on downs to an offense we couldn't stop and we likely end the game with a multi score loss. But that lucky bounce also led to a fortunate fumble and a fortunate cramping to Lamar that led us to two more improbable scores that shouldn't have happened. So you can say "scoreboard" all you want -- and truthfully I am normally in that same camp, but when it comes to the offense playing well though. The reality is the offense was not clicking for 3 quarters week 1 and play calling was a big part of that. I cant tell you how many times I screamed at the screen over play calls those 3 quarters. And in week 2, the offense was not playing well either, but the Jets were playing worse and kept hurting themselves and giving us points off those mistakes. Again, I am NOT worried -- but this rant also does not reflect the reality of what is being discussed and that is the play calling has not been strong and execution has been inconsistent at times the first 2 weeks. Ravens game our offense was not capable of keeping up with the Ravens until we ran the 2 min offense for almost a whole quarter and then had multiple miracle breaks happen to help us score several times. The scoreboard against the Jets had more to do with how bad the Jets played on offense and how bad they were on defensive penalties than it had to do with how well the offense played. We have plenty of time to dial it in, and a game against the Fins is the perfect recipe to get into a groove as we usually cook them. But to also pretend the offense has been dominant or a well oiled machine through 2 weeks just because of final scores is not really doing an unbiased analysis of their play over 8 quarters of football.

Hawes has really impressed me. There are times he looks like a pro bowl OL out there as a TE. And he is catching passes while Knox is dropping passes. I think Knox could start on other teams, and I really like him and how he fits in with the team, locker room, and Josh. BUT - he is certainly expendable at this point with a better pass catcher in Kincaid and now a potentially elite blocker in Hawes who early on at the very least seems to be as capable of a pass catcher (or better) than Knox. I was always of the mindset that Knox is a guy whose contract and role makes him someone that could be moved on from this next offseason, and Hawes early on is upping the potential of that IMHO. Its also still only 2 games and Knox is beloved top to bottom by everyone on the team and in the organziation, so no lock we move on from him either. But Hawes keeps playing like this and improving, Beane will have some tough decisions next year.

I am not saying I disagree with you as I was never sold on Caleb and think Poles needed to go too. But, the roster Ben inherited has more talent on it, I mean the offensive talent on the starting 11 is miles better than the 11 starters McD trotted out in 2017. And even though I never expected the Bears to really be that much better personally, the expectations for Ben was to contend for the playoffs at the minimum and the expectations for McD year 1 was to contend for the #1 overall pick in 2018 draft. They have very very different expectations coming in from the public and masses for their first seasons as HC. Again, Ben inherits one of the best set of offensive weapons in the NFC where they are loaded at WR, TE, and have solid RB room with an ascending OL and a 2nd year QB who was just the #1 overall pick. McD inherited an inept offense with no talent anywhere but an aging RB and a rookie LT in Deion no one knew was going to be as good as he later turned out to be and most people thought the Bills were tanking for a QB in 2018.

Yeah and I don't honestly understand how Poles has kept his job personally. Ben got too much credit for Goff IMHO - he was a #1 overall pick who had been to a SB who regressed behind a train wreck of an OL in LA before being traded and wasn't that great in Detroit until their OL got better too. His rebound wasn't exactly the miracle Ben gets credit for, Goff is very much the same QB he has always been, a guy when protected can play at a high level. Now he has a QB who really does need to not only be developed, but needs to be "reached" because Caleb will not succeed or reach his potential based on the reported issues, work ethics, arrogance, mental lapses, etc that seem to be present based on reports and on field play. He has a QB who hasn't proven he can play at a high level yet in the NFL and still needs to learn how to be a pro and reach that potential. Goff already had all that, his success there was more about having the right talent around him then anything Goff needed to learn about being a pro.

True, but also lets keep in mind they both came into very different situations, so expectations are naturally higher for Ben Johnson than McD going into their first years as a HC. 25-23 McD's first 3 years was an over achievement and success as it was a team being torn down to the bones and rebuilt slowly through the draft with a new GM. Ben Johnson took over what was seen as an underachieving team last year that was expected to compete for the playoffs and a divisional title this season under Ben. Bears have a loaded offense, 2nd year QB that was the #1 overall pick, and an improving OL and defense. So expectations are going to naturally be higher for Ben where as McD having a winning season with a bottom tier roster that traded away 3 of its then best young players in Watkins, Dareus, and Darby to start the season and mid season was a major success as it significantly exceeded all expectations. So the barometer of what is a successful start to each of their tenures is different, and Ben starting 0-2 is going to face more concerns and scruitiny, especially with all the premature build up he got because a loaded offense he was an OC of elevated his lore before ever being an actual HC.

Its 2 games in - way too early to make any proclamations on him. But here are some things I will say -- More often than not, the "hot coordinator" isn't the savior people think they are in their first HC gig. Fans get obsessed with someone because they had a great offense/defense with great talent and then just think they will work magic when they take over a much lesser roster as a first time HC. Sure it can happen, but it mostly doesn't. Look at what the Lions did this weekend, they didn't need Ben Johnson to do it. But - its also not fair to a first time HC to condemn their new tenure after 2 games either, just like it would be silly to crown them if they over achieve early (look at Daboll in NY). Now - generalizations aside, one thing that is standing out in the new Ben Johnson era is he is not coming off well. That is not usually a good sign of things to come if their are rumblings this early about things like how he is in the locker room and how he comes across in the media. Sometimes these guys had it so easy with top end talent they come in with inflated Egos, arrogance, and stubborness that will hurt and hamper their ability to succeeed, unite the team, get the most out of his coaches and players, etc. Quite honestly, I think that is a major factor in what has become the Giants under Daboll. Their success will hinge on the humbling of them through struggles and how they respond. Then there are guys like McDaniel in Miami who just don't have that leadership quality, command of a franchise personality, etc and honestly are probably never going to succeed as a HC IMHO, same with a guy like McDaniels. Its too early to know where Ben Johnson will fall, but its why guys like McDermott exceeded expectations and found immediate success out the gate and others don't. McD has a Team General like leadership quality to him that commands respect and has the guys united and getting the most of them. He cares about his coaches, plaers, etc and listens to them and is genuine which makes him a players coach while still commanding the same discipline he expects. He has always had that, its natural for him, its why his early success started his first season when we were supposed to be a bottom feeder. He came in humble, but in command. When guys come in arrogant without that aura that leads and commands respect, its often a rough go of it. We will see how it goes for Ben, its early, but it has signs that I would say are in the red flag category.

Big fan overall of Brady, but -- while people are going to push back soley based on our PPG numbers, the facts are the offense was way out of sync week 1 for 3 quarters and we only won that game thanks to Baltimore doing Baltimore things and choking away the game. From the tipped ball on 4th and goal that found its way miraculously into Keons hands, the Balt missed XP, a low percentage chance of a fumble, to not going for on 4th and 3 due to Lamar having a cramp, etc. It took many things to go just perfect, even Kyle slowing up a fraction of a second and just barely missing the block on the game winning FG for us to win that game. GREAT GREAT win and the offense was clicking that stretch, but we were behind the 8 ball the first 3 quarters because of some really questionable play calling and it wasn't until we went into the 2 minute offense for essentially the entire 4th quarter did it work out. No disrespect, I think anytime you look at a stat and remove all context you are making a mistake. The play calling and offense were struggling for 3 quarters against the Ravens and it didn't open up until we ran the 2 min offense, which is completely different than the offense we ran the rest of the game. And we only got to 41 points because we got lucky on 4th and 3 that a tipped ball miraculously fell into Colemans arms and then Henry miraculously fumbled, something he rarely does. Otherwise if that ball doesnt find its way to Coleman, we probably don't break 30 week 1 as that was a domino into all the other things. Against the Jets, the offense was not great, the play calling was not great. Our first opening drive TD only happened because Jets gave us multiple chances with dumb penalties or we would have punted multiple times that drive. In the game, we got a few big plays that helped, but overall, Allen was off before and after his nose. I mean he started the game 3 for 10. Lucky the Jets were worse, so we got a lot of chances with the ball and controlled TOP especially with the insane amount of times the Jets shot themselves in the foot on both sides of the ball. Had that been the Eagles, Lions, Chiefs, Ravens, etc on the other side of that field on Sunday, not only is it a much closer game, we may not have had enough to win with how the offense was playing. I think this team is going to be just fine and we got some cushy games for the offense to get right. But make no mistake about it, this offense was only humming for 1 quarter in 8 quarters of football so far this season and playing up to its potential, and that was mostly done in the 2 min offense. Brady has to be better, has to find a way to get the quick start, to bring that 2 min offense energy and pace to the rest of the game. Dion Dawkins verbatim said the same thing in interviews as well. To be clear, not panicked and big fan of the Brady -- but facts remain, the offense and play calling have not been great these first 2 weeks. Miraculous opportunities masked that week 1, terrible play and self inflicted mistakes by our opponent mased that in week 2 on the scoreboards.

There is no way we are going on a 2 game losing streak to Bucs and Houston IMHO. Doubt we lose either one TBH, certainly won't lose Houston. Bucs are good but not great. Can we lose each, sure -- and while I will conceed its hard to win every week and great teams lose winnable games they should win every year, I don't see how we go on a mid season losing streak against a mediocre Texans team at best, and a solid but not great Bucs team. We will be coming off our bye, should be heatlhy and have all our suspended guys back. I think we will be playing some of our best football of the year in this stretch. Honestly this team might be undefeated going into the final 2 weeks where our starters play very little with the 1 seed locked up. But, any team can lose on any given Sunday, so wouldn't surprise me to see a young upstart Pats team pull off an upset in one of our meetings, or drop a game to like the Bucs. But, I can't see us winning less than 13 games, and I personally think we might see a 15+ win season.

Honestly - Not a chance I do it for 2 firsts and a $47M contract. Bosa has had a better first 2 games for 1/4 the cost and no draft pick loss. I wanted to look into Parsons, but $47M is a franchise QB contract. We can’t pay him and Allen and expect the roster around them to stay strong. It’s an insane amount of money for a guy who isn’t even the best at his own position. Myles Garrett is better and makes $7M less despite getting his contract in the same season. And Myles isn’t a liability in half the snaps either. If GB doesn’t win the SB this season they are going to regret this trade in a couple years. If they do win it, then worth the risk, but I don’t think Micah makes them all that much better personally and I don’t see think they are even the best team in the NFC. 2023 Cowboys had the number 1 offense and number 5 defense in the NFL. Dallas led league in passing. Cowboys had not only Micah but the league leader in interceptions too. All teams had to do was run on them to neutralize them and they lost embarrassingly to the Packers in the postseason. I just don’t think Micah will ever make a $47m impact to the wins and loss column like a QB does.

So many great comments to choose from, but I think my fave so far is "Right now the Buffalo Sabres would beat us" bahahahaha

Oh what could have been - it was gross watching that secondary in the 2nd half.