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I was more thinking first one fired after the season, but didn’t specify that as didn’t really think about in season. I agree, he prob isn’t fired in season unless they are a total disaster.

Fun - Rest of NFL Chiefs will finish no higher than 3 seed and wont reach the AFCCG snapping their streak of 7 straight. Bengas will miss the playoffs again. McDaniels is first HC fired after Miami misses the playoffs again. Minnesota misses the playoffs after going 13-3 last year Bills Bills lead the AFC in sacks Keon and Shakir combine for 2000+ yards Joey Bosa stays healthy and leads Bills in sacks Bills make and WIN the Super Bowl.

Horrible, condolences to the family. RIP

Its all good - just a different perspective. And like I said earlier to a couple other people, I am here admittedly with an unfortunate bias and probably should just have stayed out of the thread all together. But having kids now makes it all land different for me now more than even before.

Moss isn't as bad as some make him out to be, but he also isn't anything special either. I think he has value to a team looking to add depth as a backup RB. The best thing going for him is that he played pretty well for Indy in 2023 and he can also catch, so I think someone will see value in bringing him in.

If he would agree to that, I would take him on the PS as well, good injury insurance. But yeah, he shouldnt and wont take a spot of one of our top 5 right now IMHO.

Well lucky for you that you have the benefit of not having to live through a loved one being murdered and know that destruction of your life and family. It has nothing to do with "superior" morals and everything to do with I know the destruction he caused those families, and I don't care if it was 1 family, 2 families or 200,000 families - it doesn't lessen it to any degree of how it affected those individual families. It is alone the single most destructive thing another human can do to another human and their loved ones, and doing it to less people doesn't make him less of a monster. But hey, to each their own. You want celebrate and remember him, you are free to do so. But you are choosing to do this on a public forum, so just don't be so surprised or offended when other people don't share your sentiment of celebrating the "fond" memories about a man who not only abused women during the reign of those fond memories, but brutally butchered 2 lives and destroyed those families forever. I said my piece and will leave it alone - at least until the sequel thread of fond memories of Rae Carruth loI

Yeah I agree with a lot of this, I will add though he is a great teammate, unselfish player, and a great blocker. So think he can have some value for someone still, but his days as a WR2 I think are behind him without injuries forcing the situation somewhere.

Genocide is murder. You seem to be willing to look past it based on the quantity of murder though, so theres that. Cool

I also don't think we should trade away speed for the sake of a redundant tool set he brings (Keon and Palmer). But hey, if there is an injury, he makes a lot of sense.

The is no roster spot for him. Who do you cut? Keon, Shakir, and Palmer are locked in. Samuel would cost cap space to cut, and we need more speed not less speed. And Moore has been a star of camp. The only way they keep 6 WRs is if the 6th guy is a dedicated kick returner, and neither of those 5 are and neither is Gabe. So Gabe has to replace one of those 5, and coming off injury after a career here where Allen has a lot of picks trying to connect with him, would disappear a lot, dropped passes, had mental lapses, and had a limited route tree. I really cant see Gabe ending up here without someone in those top 5 getting hurt. We have a lot more guys to carry this year in places like secondary and DL this year, we likely won't be keeping a 6th WR who isn't a return specialist.

No disrespect, but what if someone had fond memories of Hitler before his rise to power like from high school or college? Would it be appropriate to talk about how funny he was, how many points he scored in some game, who got to meet or hang out with him, etc you know before all that pesky genocide stuff? Monsters like OJ don't deserve the remembrance or recognition, especially since he was a woman abuser going back to 1977. Its all good, just saying despite your disclaimer, it isn't going to resonate that way with a lot of people and he doesn't deserve to be memorialized like you are intending here for those "good times" when he was also still abusing women all back then too.

Its all good, and I take no personal offense to others enjoying fond memories. I shouldn't even honestly chimed in, no one was doing anything wrong - I was just tired and alone with my 2 boys (26 months and 10 months) who are both sick and the 10 month old threw up on me a bunch lol. But, it also is kind of why I responded as it just hits different now that I am a parent. It was one thing having gone through the loss in my life, its a whole other imagining my boys having to go through it if it happened to me, and its unimaginable to think about a parent losing a child of any age. So for me, while I get the fond memories, heck still enjoy the Naked Gun movies, it always just feels a bit dirty when someone like him still gets the honor of being remembered for the positive stuff he did, especially since while he obviously didn't murder anyone back then, his known woman abuse allegedly goes back to 1977 making a lifelong POS even during his best days. But everyone is all good here with me - just one of those things where it just feels a bit dirty when he gets the honor of being remembered for the positive stuff he did while he was later discovered to be both a POS during that whole span and later a monster. PS - It also doesn't help I know he did it as I had one of his defense lawyers essentially admit to me on a golf course when we played a round together. It was actually a crazy round - A fun side story to lighten the mood. It was me, my friend (a lawyer), one of OJ's lawyers, and the father (also a lawyer) of the kid who created Snap Chat. At the time, his son (who was like 21 at the time) had just publicly turned down Zuckerberg and his $3B offer to buy them and was in a bit of a public spat. He then turned down $4B. What wasn't known publicly at the time, and what the dad ranted all day about, was his son had also just turned down Google for $5B lol. It was pretty funny listening to his rants all day about a 21 year old turning down $5B and then they went on to give each other crap about who had the more frustrating client - the other guy with OJ or him with his Son lmao. They were a fun group to play with, never saw either again, but it was a fun day.

As someone who had a parent murdered - it sickens me a bit to see people celebrating a documented woman beater and murderer. Its one thing to have your own personal fond memories, but he doesn't deserve the acknowledgement on a public forum, on a stadium wall, etc.

Stepping on legos is so bad that they should use them in prisoner interrogations and make prisoners walk barefoot over them until they crack - wont take long

Well to be fair, had they kept AJ it would have done nothing for them. So at least sucking more to where it eventually got them a #1 overall pick a couple years later to draft a QB is better for their prospects moving forward than paying AJ Brown a ton of money to play on a crap team and maybe win a game or two more where they don't get the #1 pick. Trading AJ was still the right move for them. Its pointless to have a top end WR if your QB sucks, so you sure shouldn't be paying one and maybe doing just enough better to further hurt your chances to get a high enough pick to go after your QB of the future. Which is why I think it was a mistake for the Jets to pay Wilson. I think he is a top tier talent, but they are not winning anything with Fields. I would have cleaned house, moved Wilson and Sauce for a bounty of picks, not signed fields, and just sucked my way to the top pick next year and look to rebuild their franchise with the top pick in the draft and a bounty of other picks the next year or two. All the Jets have done is insure they are not going to be good enough to do anything important and not bad enough to land an elite QB prospect. That is football purgatory, and Titans were smart enough to recognize that and avoid the mistakes teams like the Jets make over and over again.

I think its mostly all tick tack stuff and early camp precautionary moves more than anything. I don't think there are too much to be concerned about in terms of the injuries reported and would bet most would play if there was a game this week. Especially going into the first day with pads on.

Exactly, its a click bait headline and McD made it sound like it was just a common got a little banged up on a rep yesterday when he hit the ground. Nothing about it sounded like anything other than a common cautious move from general knicks guys get in camp. To paint it as if its directly tied to last year without knowing it is was just irresponsible reporting for the sake of attention. Could it be - sure - but nothing reported on it thus far suggests it is.

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The way McD described it sounded much more like an everyday kind of common bump/bruise type thing from just playing and hitting the ground during a rep yesterday. Didn't come across as part of a lingering issue or holdover from the issues he had last year. So wasn't too concerning, at least in description, but obviously something worth monitoring.

People are talking because he has had a lot of Ints in camp so far and been a standout so far for them. Means very little right now, and honestly some of them I felt like he could have drawn a flag, but I wish him well and he is at least off to about as good as start as he could have had there. Pads aren't on, Refs are not in full force. He has a lot to still prove, but he is being talked about because he has been on the best guys in camp for them.

Sitting out healthy on a vet rest day is quite different than sitting out die to leg soreness. There’s no message there, you’re reading something into nothing. All it means is Moore would have gone today if not for the leg soreness where Taron got the day off for no reason other than an older vet rest day.

That day 1 thread aging like a hot wet block of cheese 😂

Yeah it was fun to see him with the kid and excitement he was playing with, but you are right. I do wish him well and think the change could be good - BUT - that would be a flag, he was holding his shoulder almost the whole route, you are gonna get that called most the time, it was pretty blatant, and that is his biggest issue. He plays physical, and on one hand you love that, but on the other he struggles to control it and what we saw with him is when he has to keep his hands off it’s like he seems less confident or a step behind. If the kid can figure out how to keep his hands under control while still playing with the same confidence and anticipation, he could be be a good player. But as others have pointed out, several clips on his ints in camp have included some questionable hand activity throughout the route that could or would get called for a flag in a game. And when he starts drawing flags it’s like he almost over corrects and then that’s when he’s gotten torched. Pulling for him, but since college, his issue has been too reliant on his use of his hands in being physical.

Not bad for a punt returner on the verge of being cut or traded for a 6th round pick 😂