Alphadawg7

Beane is a wizard.

I bet you're fun at parties lol

“You just slid into some s**t homie”

hahaha same thing I thought You win TSW today, well played

While all options I am sure are on the table, I do think we are more likely to stay at 30 or even move up than we are to trade down. We don't have nearly as much turnover and holes to fill this year...so we are not coming in "needing" more picks. This team isn't in a mini retool like last year. We were on the door step of a SB in 2024 with the league MVP. This is about getting over the hump this year, where last year we were in more of a transition year away with more turnover due to age and cap. While we don't have our 3rd again like last year, we do have 2 seconds and 2 4ths as well as 3 5ths. Beane has plenty of ammo, recouping our 3rd isn't important or a need like last year was, especially having 3 picks still in the first 2 rounds. With have tons of ammo in rounds 4-6 to use to move back into round 3 if they really want a pick there as opposed to moving down in an earlier round to get one. To be fair, if there isn't a guy they covet at 30, or if there is several they would take, then a move back is still in play. I just think there will be at least one from DL, DB, or WR groups that will be on the board at 30 that would be worth the pick personally (if not a move up for), so I think staying put or trading up feels more likely this year.

Oh dont get me wrong, I agree with you on DK, but he has shown to be more to a degree than just the go route guy. But he still does more than just go routes and became a top 15 WR. And I wasn't refuting that 1 trick guys in college more often don't become more than that in the NFL. My main point is that all players are not equal. You have to watch the film, understand how he was used, look at the traits where he is raw at and see if the potential to improve in those areas are there. DK tested incredibly poor in short area agility, this was the concern about him at the next level, could he separate anywhere other than vertical routes. That is not the concern with Thornton, and its an incorrect comparison for those who keep using DK as the example. Thornton isn't coming from that same physical limitation. Watch the video I posted, he shows athletic ability in all areas of the field, not just straight line vertical speed. His tape looks like a guy who was used a certain way and is raw in some others where he can be coached up to be more than just a 1 trick guy. This is very different than DK and reminds me a lot more of BTJ where BTJ also had concerns about whether he could be a true WR1 or just vertical specialist. I am not saying he grades the same as BTJ, saying that he compares more in style to BTJ than DK. He is no lock to be anything obviously, but as a mid round pick I like his potential a lot. And honestly, even if he just became a one trick pony as a major vertical threat, that is something we are missing and would be good value for us as a day 3 pick. If he becomes more than that, then the pick has homerun potential.

I posted about Thornton way back on page 3 of this thread and posted 2 videos, and this one in particular I suggest you or anyone watch if you want to see and understand more about Thornton. I agree with the person in this video, there are things on his tape that certainly feel like there is untapped potential here to be more than how he was primarily used. And in terms of DK, I def think the bigger factor on where DK went was concerns over his agility scores more than any medical concerns. I can't speak for every team, but I do know from people I know that a couple teams were interested but dropped him down on their boards over concerns about getting open on anything other than a go route. And if we go back to even just last year, people had some concerns even with BTJ on whether or not he was just a one trick vertical threat because of how he was used as well. Not saying Thornton has the same grade coming out as BTJ did, but saying similar things were said about him and DK to where they proved at the next level they were more than that. Me personally...I like the idea of drafting this kid a lot. He is my top overall sleeper pick in this draft. If he gets to us in the 4th, then I would be all for us taking him. Problem is, I am not convinced he gets to us in the 4th. Ironically, a few years ago I had Shakir as my top sleeper pick in the draft and a guy I really wanted. People had him going anywhere from the 2nd to the 5th and I thought we would have to take him in the 3rd to get him and was thrilled when we landed him in the 5th as I didn't even know he was still available as I had missed rounds 3 and 4. So I am hoping its a repeat of Shakir and he does make it to us on day 3. I do wish we had a 3rd rounder still as I would even be good using what would have been our 3rd on him to insure we got him.

Don't you see you are just actually confirming my point, that players do not always prioritize the most money? I mean, they are literally prioritizing something other than the most money by agreeing to take less money in exchange for security. And Josh Allen was already highly paid, he didn't have to take less money. Greg Rousseau was on a first round rookie deal, he could have played and gone for a lot more money as a FA. Sure, Shakir and Bernard were on day 3 contracts, but they both could have also insisted on more money to sign now than they took. Point is...players don't always make getting the most money the top priority. We just watched 4 guys of our own make something else the priority. I am not disagreeing that more often than not, athletes will prioritize money over winning, but it's not all athletes all the time that was originally stated by another poster.

They were different though...Diggs original issue, and why he forced his way out of Buffalo, was over winning...not money, he was already highly paid. Even voided 2 years of his deal in order to pursue winning, had nothing to do with money. The IRONY though is a year later, he clearly prioritized money over winning, and that was my point. I think you are missing the point...let me ask you this...could he have gotten more? Could he have demanded more and still gotten it? The answer to both those questions is unquestionably yes. He took less than he could have taken. Does it mean he signed for cheap? No, but he took less than he could have demanded and would have 100% gotten. He knows it, Beane knows, it and his agent knows that if Allen wanted more from the Bills he would have gotten it. No one said the deal was unfair or cheap.

Well it started where I said Diggs and DK situation isn't the same. You were saying their motivations were money...and I countered saying that the irony of Diggs is that his situation wasn't the same when he wanted out of Buffalo. He had several years left on a big extension, he already had the money. He left over fear of not winning a championship. And if you read my other posts, the irony is now a year later, he clearly prioritized money as a FA now for either ego or realizing its his last pay day...because if he really wanted to chase a ring, he could have offered himself to a number of contenders that could use another WR for cheap. But based on what he signed for in NE, he clearly cared less about winning and more about this contract. Which is fine if he did, but its ironic because he could have stayed in Buffalo making more money and still be contending for a title (may have even won one this past year). Maybe you just misunderstood my original post. He definitely gave us a deal, there is no question about that.

Josh Allen didn't have to take less. Sure, Bernard and Shakir were on day 3 rookie deals, so I am sure that factored in. But the point is the same...they didn't have to take less, they could have still pushed for a deal now and closer to their market. And if not, waited until they were a FA, plenty of players don't take less for long term security and instead wait until FA and go for top dollar. And Brady, Jordan, and tons of GOATS and greats have all taken less money to help their teams. The guy was claiming all athletes will always take the money over all other factors...and its just not true. Not to mention, lots of FA's have taken less money from a contender than they could have gotten from someone else, especially later in their careers if they havent won a championship yet. So while it may be true that more often than not, money talks...its not 100% by any means.

I literally said most do prioritize money in the post you are replying to. I said its not accurate at all to say that none do. Diggs didn't go from Buffalo to NE...you realize that rigth? He agreed to have the last 2 years of his highly paid contract VOIDED to go to Houston, meaning he was 1 and done deal in Houston and a certain FA at 31 years old where he probably wouldn't get the same money he got from Buffalo at 29. So once again...his move on from Buffalo had ZERO to do with money. That is the point. And why did he do it...to chase a ring. So the IRONY now is a year later he chose money over a ring when he had BOTH Money and a chance at a ring in Buffalo. What is so confusing for you about this?

First off...meet Shakir, Allen, Bernard, and Rousseau...all 4 of them just this past month all took LESS money to stay with Buffalo than their market value. So yeah, thats not accurate at all, even if its more common guys go for the most money. To say no athlete takes less money is wrong...even GOATS like Jordan and Brady have taken less money than they were worth for the good of the teams ability to win. But nothing you said here has anything to do with I said to you. I said DK and Diggs are not at all the same comparison. Diggs ALREADY had the money in Buffalo. In fact, he wound up with less money leaving Buffalo. His leaving Buffalo had 0% to do with "money" yet you are making it about money still with Diggs in terms of why he left here. The point is, Diggs was disgruntled in Buffalo NOT over money, but over his chances of winning a SB. So the irony now is...Diggs had the last 2 years of his HIGHER paid contract voided to go to Houston, making him a one and done and a FA at 31 years old regardless of the injury. He wanted that deal because he felt Houston was a team on the rise and had a better chance to win a SB there before his career ended...even though it was still a 1 year deal only and there was a chance he wouldn't be brought back. But, still he believed he had a better chance there in 2024 than he was going to have in Buffalo in 2024. Now...as a FA...he has signed on with a team that doesn't have a legit shot at winning even the division, let alone the SB, the next couple of years. A team that isn't even an expected playoff team, let alone a contender. And he did it for the money, which is ironic because he had a bigger contract in Buffalo had he just stayed here and still would be contending. Yet Allen, Shakir, Rousseau and Bernard all just did.

Here is what I will say about Bosa...we do not need a double digit sack season out of him for this signing to be a success. What we need is simple...if Bosa can literally be the difference in helping this defense just make literally ONE more play on 3rd down to flip what was previously a first down conversion in what was an eventual scoring drive into a forced punt...that is it. That would have beaten the Chiefs each of the last 3 playoff losses to them. That would have flipped every single one of those 1 score losses. And...Bosa doesn't even need to be the one making the play...if he can just affect the play to where it helps the defense get off the field still, it still flips each of those 3 losses. Maybe he draws a double team freeing someone up to get to the QB for a sack or the runner to stop the first. Or maybe he or someone else just even gets pressure on the QB forcing an incompletion or even a turnover. Again...all we have needed to get past the Chiefs in our last 3 losses was flipping one of our way too many 3rd down conversions into a stop and punt rather than an extended scoring drive. So for me, that is what makes Bosa exciting...he is a low risk addition being a 1 year deal and he doesn't have to be reborn to help this team get over the hump, just help this defense get off the field 1 or 2 more times a game, which is literally just a single play or 2, and we go from losing a 1 score game, to winning by 1 or 2 scores.

Diggs and Metcalf are not at all the same thing. Diggs already had the money in Buffalo, he was on a big extension, he was never at any point underpaid here. Bills gave him 2 big deals. He had the usage here, 160 targets, way more than DK. Diggs got disgruntled because he wanted to win a SB...not because he wanted more money. Everything he did here that caused the parting of him and the Bills was because he allegedly wanted to win so bad and had lost faith the Bills would get there before his career ended, especially with us heading in for a mini retool the offseason we traded him due to age and cap decisions. Yet, it was true then, and its still true now...if Diggs really wanted to be in a place that gave him a legit chance to win a SB year after year, he had it all here in Buffalo...money, targets, and legit contention with unquestionably one of the top 2 QB's in the league. So to see him NOW sign for money is fine...but make no mistake about it...he forced his way out of Buffalo over wanting a SB just to now sign on in NE for money over winning. I guarantee had his agent called SF, KC, Balt, Was, Phi, or a number of other more realistic contenders and offered to come cheap for a chance at a ring, at least one of those teams would have said yes. But instead, he decided he needed to get another big deal either for his ego or for his bank account...or probably both. Diggs learned a lesson...the grass isn't always greener. And the irony is he would have made more money staying in Buffalo...and still be competing for SB's, hell if he had bought into to being here and Brady's system this season, we might have gotten there this year too.