Alphadawg7

So you’re saying that the #4 offense in nfl history lost because…the opponents defense. Just like the #1, 2, and 3 offenses in NFL history did too in the playoffs. But I bet it won’t stop you from saying we need more offense though

Don’t worry, the we must go all in on WR crowd will still find ways to ignore and spin all the facts to argue not to invest in the defense still. It’s utterly mind boggling.

No problemo bud

Yup, and they can also help make up for deficiencies in the scheme too.

No disrespect, but not sure how any of this makes sense. Cook is making it clear he doesn't want to play on his $5M deal here on a team on the door step to a SB with an elite QB and excellent OL...you think he is going to just go to Cleveland purgatory and be cool playing on his $5M deal there? And $5M is not cheap to a team looking to shed salary big time when they can draft a rookie in a good RB class that will be cheaper...not to mention on a team who benefits more from losing than winning the next 2 seasons. As far as AJE goes...0%, maybe less than 0% they will take AJE back in a trade, he is on a 2nd contract and been a rotational DE. Especially heading into a draft that is very strong along the DL and they can get a bunch of draft picks to add higher upside rookies on cheaper deals than AJE. There is honestly absolutely no benefit to the Browns to take on these players, it makes no sense to their situation in any capacity, nor can they really afford to do it either. With or without adding AJE and Cook for example, the Browns are still the worst team in their division. So what would they gain by adding guys they can't afford to a team that is going to finish last and with a cap disaster like no other for the next 2 seasons? It is in their best interest to lose as many games as they can, not grind out a 6 or 7 win season and worsen their draft position while trying to completely gut and rebuild that team. They need to shed salary to even field a roster, they are not taking back guys with 2nd contracts or due 2nd contracts. And why would they take a first round bust rookie in Elam who is on a first rounder deal? I mean, unless they just coveted Elam when he was in the draft, why would they want a bust who has a first round contract and then try and rehab his career while in the midst of a full rebuild when they can draft a rookie(s) cheaper they hand pick for what they want to do moving forward? Again, no disrespect, but I can't see Browns taking any players back that are coming up on 2nd contracts or already into their 2nd contracts as it only hurts their rebuilding efforts as they begin the 3 year process to get out of the worst contract in NFL history.

Yeah, and I think that is what other people are missing as well. It may not even be Myles that makes the play, but if he can just affect the play making it easier for someone else to make the play, its the same affect.

I don't know why people here and in the media keep including players with big salaries or due big salaries in these make believe trade scenarios. There is no way the Browns are taking back anyone that is making a big salary or due a big salary over the next 2 seasons. I don't think people even understand the magnitude of the cap disaster the Browns face by moving on from Watson over these next 3 seasons, and especially the next 2. So they are not taking back Payne, they will not want Groot, Cook, AJE, etc...none of it is rooted in realism. Browns are looking to stock pile picks and picks only, to not just rebuild, but to field a team at all because they can't afford cap wise to do so without a lot of cheap rookie contracts. Browns cap situation is so bad the the next 2 seasons that picks next year will carry even higher value to them than it normally would to another team. They want to slam the cupboard full of picks these next 2 seasons because they can not really even truly start to rebuild until after these next 2 seasons, and even then Watson still has a big cap hit in the 3rd year, but its more like Diggs size was this year than the monstrosity it will be the next 2. See above

I understand what you are saying...but I think you are thinking about it wrong...let me explain. We don't need a fully revamped defense. We need to make one or two more defensive plays a game, thats it. Just one more time a game we need to hold on 3rd down and force a punt rather than allow a scoring drive. We flip one scoring drive into a punt in each of our last 3 playoff losses to KC and we win every one of those games. Now, if we were losing decisively against KC, I would agree with you, one player probably doesn't make the difference. That is where an impact player can be all the difference, and if you look at KC, Chris Jones is a substantial reason why KC reached 3 straight and won 2. He closed out multiple games for them making a key play that sealed the game, including in the SB against the Niners.

I mean we have invested very little draft wise into the position and used low cost FA’s to fill roles. Serviceable is the word to describe almost all of them because that is what you get when you don’t invest into the position.

A good comparison in my mind is Big Ben. He evolved past being a physical runner as his age increased, and that allowed Ben to be a good QB longer than say someone like Cam Newton who really wasn’t a great QB, so when Cam’s physical gifts started to decline so did his career and sharply because he was never a high level passer. Big Ben retired at 39 after 18 seasons and his best season as a passer in his career was when he was 35 or 36 in 2018 when he threw for over 5000 yards. In fact the best 2 year span of his career was his mid 30’s in 2017 and 2018 when he was 35 and 36 years old and threw for over 9,300 yards and had 65 TDs.

I think Keon, Bishop, SVPG, and Davis obviously have the best chance to be good players for us. I still like Solomon's potential too. But as many have pointed out, its way too early to tell anything about any of these guys. Obviously, Keon and Davis showed the most as rookies, but Keon wasn't the same after he got back from injury and Davis chances were limited with Cook here and Ty emerging as well. So still a lot to prove, but with Keon specficially, I think adding a downfield threat to the WR room is going to really help him as well.

Thats a good comparison, and good food for thought, but our situation right now I think makes the trade for Garrett the better move. For the record, normally I am about the draft instead of making big trades. But with us being on the cusp like this, Josh smack in the middle of his prime, a move like this has never made more sense than it does right now. Most damning stat for me is the fact in 3 of our 4 losses to the Chiefs in the playoffs, we gave up an average of 35 PPG to them and then they went on to lose the next week averaging just 17 PPG. I mean that is less than half what they score on us. And we have no anchor on D, no game changing impact player, and never have. While all the SB winners we watch win every year do. So, while the draft is great this year for DL, I still prefer the sure thing personally because the need for it on this team is almost a desperation levels and there are never sure things when it comes to the draft. Also, we can use the draft to add some beef on the interior still as well and now we have 2 new pieces on a DL that needs the help.

Not aimed at just you....but...Did anyone read the article? No where in the article does it say he made it up, in fact, the entire article states it all did happen, he just regrets how big it got and how he didn't want to be the face of bullying. His dad even plays a voice mail by Ritchie saying and doing all the things he was alleged to have said and done. Don't get me wrong, Martin is soft as charmin...but literally nothing in this article says he made it up or that it didn't happen. In fact, every person they interviewed in this article acknowledges things happened in there.

Convenient to leave it out? 1st Down - Guys are wide open and Allen throws a bad pass that Romo called a "throw away" it was so off. 2nd Down - Guys are open and Allen has a his ball batted down at the LOS on a throw to Samuel that would have been a first down. 3rd Down - Allen completes to Cooper on a WR screen, he doesn't fall down, his back foot slips a little but even so, the only way the play can work is if all the blocking also works perfect, which it doesnt and Cooper is tackled for a short gain. 4th Down - Guys are wide open but Allen shifts the protection to the wrong side as Spags confuses him, our team, and coaches leading to free releases on the blitz and Allen doesn't see a wide open Shakir to his left for an easy first down and more and is forced to throw to what was a wide open Kincaid down field but under duress falling away which ends up being a prayer ball that Kincaid tries to adjust to and can't complete the catch. We did not lose because we did not have guys open or because who was on the field. We lost because on the final 4 down series we had guys open on every down and we failed to take advantage of them. So for the last time, our series ending had nothing to do with not having open targets for Allen to throw to. End of story. And the only reason we were in this position was once again our defense let the Chiefs score over 30 (for the only time this entire season) a week before another team completely shuts them down (3rd time in 4 of our Chiefs losses in the postseason Chiefs would get shut down a week later and lose). PS: If (as you claimed earlier) we would have scored on that Cooper screen (which he was not going to do even if he didn't slip), Mahomes still gets the ball back with over 2 minutes and timeouts only down 3 or 4 (depending if Bass converts the XP). Mahomes is the only QB in history with a 100% success rate of scoring on the final drive to tie or win the game in the postseason. And not only is he perfect, he has the most attempts at while also remaining 100% and no other QB is even over 50%. And given our defense was amongst the worst in the NFL at allowing first downs and amongst the worst in 3rd down conversions, if you think Mahomes who gets 4 downs now to keep moving the ball isn't scoring the go ahead TD on that next drive then you have not been paying attention or watching this defense trying unsuccessfully to stop Mahomes late in games.

Hollywood Brown ran a 4.27 40 at his combine, he is a guy who has another gear down field. He isn't a big WR, but outside of this year when he missed all but 2 regular season games from an injury in camp, he has been relatively durable for a guy his size with only one other season with less than 14 games played. He is still only 27 years old. Slayton is quite a bit undervalued IMHO after playing in such a desolate QB wasteland. He is a former first round pick in 2019 and just been in QB purgatory there in NY. Not as fast as Brown, but he ran a 4.39 at the combine, still plenty fast. He has shown to be a big play guy for the Giatns despite the woeful QB play during his career. I am not saying either guy is coming to Buffalo and becoming a top 10 WR, but both bring an element we are lacking as a downfield threat and would come at an affordable price as well. I think both will have an opportunity to be the best versions of themselves here with Allen in this offense.