Mark80

People get on a high horse about the strangest of things. It's not like he is asking for his social security number and all his passwords.

You are correct on Carpenter, my apologies. For some reason I was thinking this was his third season on the team, but it was his second and you are correct, Whaley brought him in. My point really wasn't to say negative comments regarding Whaley, they were to simply point out that everyone around here seems to only blame Marrone for the bad, while ignoring the significant improvements that he has made to our team by giving credit to them somewhere else (Whaley, Pettine, Schwartz, etc.). That's all. I am a fan of Marrone and understand that the offense was terrible the last two years, but I see so much good out of the team I'm willing to give him another year or two to get that part right. Personally, I blame Hackett and the play calling first and foremost, but I'm not involved with the intricacies of their every day happenings to really know what is going on. As far as EJ and the QBs go, I have to disagree with you completely regarding his leadership abilities while at FSU. That was his biggest strength and what, most likely, really pushed the Bills towards him. If you haven't seen this video check it out, it sure as heck pumped me up the first time I saw it. I just believe that "learning behind a veteran" is just a fallacy that really has no impact what so ever either way. Just as many guys come in and learn the hard way with success as guys that are eased into it. This is especially true over the last 10 or 15 years. Would those QBs benefit from being brought along slower, perhaps, but plenty of them are not ruined by being thrown out there immediately and the cream always seems to rise to the top regardless. We just need to exercise patience and actually give him a chance to develop. Look at Bress' first two seasons as a starter, they were terrible, but year 3 he really started to "get it." I am perfectly comfortable putting RGIII on that list as well. The guy looked pretty darn good his first season, up until his knee got shredded. I am of the belief that if he didn't get injured he was still be a very dynamic and successful player...and come on, the guy still very young has a good chance to be a very good QB (he actually started showing some marked improvement towards the end of this season). I would take him here in a heartbeat. Finally, regarding Jerry. I think you are underestimating his ability as a GM. He build a dynasty, then he decided to get flashy for 10 years or so with little to no success. He realized what he was doing wrong and fixed it. Regardless of what players are mentioned most when discussing their great teams of the 90s, that team was built in the trenches, namely, the offensive line was tremendous. That non-sexy part of that team and the reason for their success got away from Jerry. He figured it out again, spend 3 or 4 seasons building another dominate offensive line and it is paying off big time now. Unfortunately, the man that I despise does deserve credit for doing a great job at fixing their biggest issue.

I'm sorry but I have to make a few points regarding your post. First of all, I love how you give no credit to Marrone for the defense while at the same time assign all the blame for a terrible offense on him. Head coaches are their to manage the entire ship, he should receive as much credit for the D as blame for the O. Just because he was an offensive player and coach prior to being a HC, that does not mean that he doesn't have an impact on defenses, not to mention the leadership, accountability, etc. that he brings to that side of the ball. As far as Special Teams go, I don't see how bringing in a kick off specialist who kicks it out of bounds and even seems to completely miss on kicks yielding terrible field position is a bonus for Whaley or how bringing in a mediocre at best punter does so either. Gay and Schmidt are not impressive to me at all. Easley and Carpenter are our best STers and Whaley didn't bring in either one. Second, as far as QBs sitting behind a vet QB and learning. I think that is a bunch of crap. Peyton, Eli, Big Ben, Flacco, Luck, Ryan, RGII, all either started from day 1 or at least at some point during year 1 were the starter. If you go in to year 2 you can add Brees and Brady to that list. The point is, the great QBs are able to get thrown in there and learn, trial by fire sort of thing. Someone like Rodgers is the exception to the rule, not the norm. I do agree with you on your final paragraph. As much as I love Wood as a leader, I've been saying for the past 2 years that I felt he was overrated as a Center (especially on this board) and this year he flat out looked terrible. I don't care who is next to him, when he is constantly losing leverage battles on short yardage situations up the middle 1 on 1 vs the DT, there is a problem. We need to be looking at replacing the entire interior of the line IMO. This draft is loaded at RB and I fully expect us to pick up a nice one in round 2, 3, or 4.

Not sure why you guys are thinking that Jameis is that dumb. I've never heard anything like that, in fact, I have heard that he is an extremely hard worker, does a ton of prep work during the season and in the off-season (the guy was even writing plays up in a notebook at age 6 or 7 I saw in one feature on him). I agree that he is extremely immature at this point and surely lacks some common sense and decorum, but that doesn't mean he is stupid.

Orton is very much like Cutler in his personality in my opinion. Appears to be very laid back on and off the field. This makes it look as though he doesn't care. I don't buy it either. To make it to the NFL at all (especially QB) you must have a tremendous amount of drive and competitiveness that very few people possess and I'm sure Orton wanted to play and wanted to win, bad. Without it, you get something like Jamarcus Russell and it is evident very early and they are out of the league quick. He just doesn't have that outward showing personality that demonstrates it to people that are not behind the scenes (locker room, film room, etc.). However, it was clear to me there were numerous times where he simply collapsed at any hint of a pass rush (or the 3rd and 1 run) so as not to risk any injury and I could see the retirement coming a mile away.

Andrew Luck coming out of college, yes. Jameis Winston, hell no.

I would love Bradford, but I don't think he or Foles are going anywhere.

So funny how people try to compare QBs just because they went to the same college. Those guys weren't even under the same coach. What college is rolling out the stud QBs these days? Can you even point to one college that has two good current NFL QBs? Didn't think so.

A. Miller played as a true Freshman, Wallace did not. B. If MIller played this season he would have blown Wallace's stats this season out of the water. C. You also said Wallace had better legs and then completely ignored the fact that you had no idea what you were talking about when you looked up the stats. D. Ohio State runs a run first offense so his stats are handicapped. I would take Millers junior year season over Wallace's any day of the week and if you actually watched any Ole Miss games this year you would see that 2 of the losses were directly attributable to Wallace's idiotic decision making (LSU and Arkansas) and some of the wins were despite it (Memphis, Miss St, Tenn). But at least he did a really nice job of padding his stats vs Vanderbilt, Louisiana-Lafayette, and the powerhouse Presbyterian. I'd be surprised if Wallace is even drafted (not that I would be surprised if MIller was not, but you get my point).

At least he went to Dr. Andrews for the surgery, if anyone can fix it it's him. And, in reality, every single QBs prospects for NFL success are slim, unless you are a prospect like Manning, Luck, or Elway. The rest are just luck of draw and you never know until they are out there on the field.

Your act is so old.

He has a much better arm than Tebow and a much better runner. Also, it's not like you'd have to give up your 1st, 2nd or 3rd for the guy, he would be available late. Again, he needs developing for sure, but his skills are there. Prior to his injury he was considered a favorite for the Heisman and one of the top 10 QB prospects for the NFL in college. Did you really just say Braxton has no accuracy and then say Bo Wallace does and then say Bo Wallace has better legs??? That is a crazy statement.

Not bad at all. I love me some Duke Johnson. This draft is loaded at RB.

This would obviously be a very dark horse selection at QB for the Bills but does anyone else want to entertain the thought of us taking Braxton Miller? With the emergence of JT Barrett this year, I find it hard to believe that the Buckeyes would go back to Miller next season. If he knows he is no longer considered the starter, it would make sense for him to enter the draft. Now, coming off shoulder surgery I'm sure many teams would be skeptical and even completely take them off their draft boards, with good reason. But if we could snag him in a 6 or 7th round pick scenario, I would be all over it. Granted, this kid is not the answer for next season and still needs development time which I'm sure most of you are not on board with, but he has a tremendous arm, is an unbelievable athlete and has shown nice progression from year to year while at Ohio State improving his completion %, TD/INT ratio, and passer rater each season and he can flat out make things happen out of the pocket and has decent size to be able to take a hit. Anyone else liking this?

I'd just rather take a shot on someone who hasn't started 70 games and looked pretty bad in most of them. To me, you know what you are getting out of Sanchez and it isn't pretty. I'd rather get more of an unknown that could surprise if given a shot.

I don't know why anyone thinks Mark Sanchez is a viable option at QB for success. Can someone please explain this to me.

I hope that was the reason. I saw flashes of what could be a very nice RB. Gotta protect the ball better though.

Uhh, the season just ended and our offense was one of the worst in the league...again. This is the exact time to speculate on another OC.

Unless you're privy to the locker room, it's really impossible to say one way or the other isn't it? I definitely heard talk that Cutler was horrible at calling audibles in obvious situations where he should have, especially in the running game, but who really knows? All I know is that they had Forte, Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett, and a strong armed QB and they didn't get the job done.

He sure did butcher a Bears offense loaded with exceptional talent this year though. That horrific defense probably didn't help that out though and he is surely an upgrade over Hackett.

There was also a non-PI call against our D late in the game that helped make up for it. I think it was also Brooks who clearly grabbed the WRs arm well before the pass was there. This was by far the most fair game I've seen the refs call against the Pats in a long, long time.

I'd give you 10-1 odds of that never happening. Wanna take it?

And that only happened because the Chargers thought his arm might fall off. Also, Cutler is not a free agent, he just re-signed a huge deal just about a year ago now. He very well may be available via trade though but I highly doubt he gets flat out cut.

Sorry, but you are using facts and logic here. Clearly you are in the wrong forum.

Do yourself a favor and look up all the QBs drafted in the first round over the past 15 years and tell me what % of those are "franchise" QBs. The number will be very small. Also, any trade can be looked upon poorly in hindsight, at the time of the deal Watkins was the ONLY receiver seen as a guaranteed thing in the draft. The ONLY one.