Mark80

For the most part I agree, but if a big city / media gets a target on you for whatever reason, it can be brutal. Randy Johnson comes to mind right away and his start with the Yankees.

Some people enjoy reading simple facts instead of a high school girl rumor mill as their source of news. But, to each their own.

Way to bring up something that happened over 10 years ago. Congrats.

Actually it's a huge difference. The Daily would quote a janitor as an unnamed source in the Bills organization. The Times has the utmost of standards.

"Wont be fringe next year" Says the guy that still had Bo Wallace in his signature until right after that bowl game blow up.

Exactly, apparently you cannot go to the playoffs and win with him.

While that may be true, anyone who watched that Super Bowl knows that the defense won that game. But I agree in general. Russell Wilson is amazingly overrated and underrated all at the same time!

Yes, not necessarily Foles though, but I think Chip's system made him look great last year, then they figured out his system somewhat this year and Foles regressed a ton and, most likely, played more to his ability. I just don't see how all these guys clamoring for Foles completely look past that fact.

So you're saying Orton is better than the Cardinals third string QB??? Yeah, I'd say that's probably accurate.

That is a very good point. Thanks. Very well thought out, thanks.

I agree with both of your points concerning Alex and EJ for the most part and am, admittedly, mostly just playing devils advocate here. But, you guys both point to "taking 5 years to develop" as something extraordinary or as the exception, but I ask you this, how do we know? How many QBs were actually given that amount of time to develop. Especially 3.5 of those years as being the starter as with Smith? Perhaps all that time is exactly what some of these highly talented guys that flame out need to become serviceable or even good / elite QBs. Seems to me that guys are given 2 or 3 years at the most to be a starter and if they can't do it then, they are simply discarded forever. I don't know, just spewing thoughts here. I just really want to like EJ and hope like hell that the light bulb goes off this off season and that Doug and Hackett were holding him back instead of helping him, as in making him play too cautious instead of slinging it and making plays with his feet.

Not pointing to you per se, but I love how a lot of people praise Alex Smith for being a QB that we should have got. It just amazes me that Smith looked terrible up until his 5th season in the league, yet everyone wants to discard EJ after starting 14 games. In his third season his completion % was 48.7%. 48.7!!!!!! Win now at all cost league I guess. No patience whatsoever.

Yeah, he's enormous. That's who the commentators were comparing him to as well during the conference championship game and the semi-final game. His release looks extremely slow to me though for some reason.

I don't think any NFL HC or GM believes that EJ can be a franchise QB at this point. Hopefully that changes and changes quick. And Foles, I don't like him at all. He had tremendous success last season and I put that 100% on Chip's offense and defenses not knowing what to do to stop it. But, as with any new trend in the NFL (wildcat anyone?), the other teams caught up to him and he regressed severely. If he were a FA, I'd take a look, but I wouldn't give up anything for him in a trade.

This is the dumbest argument against a player in the world. I'm sorry, but it is. You can't name a single college with more than 1 successful current NFL QB, you can't. None of them. Do it. I mean, I can understand it from a scheme type school like a Baylor or a Houston when they were putting up huge numbers on offense a few years back, but this isn't even the same coaching staff anymore. Please move on from that tired, fact-less claim. And the Pac-12 was probably the best conference in college football this year. If not, certainly top 2. And what is the best conference, the SEC and their defenses? How has that worked out for their top teams in the bowl games???

Let me rephrase what I mean on Connor Cook, he is overrated in the aspect of being a #1 overall or top 3 pick in my opinion. Late first or early second and he is not overrated and could become a very good QB. I have seen him look horrendous at times and great other times. Just look at that last bowl game. He was borderline atrocious in the first half and then was the best QB in the world in the second half. Too much Jekyll and Hyde for my liking. As far as Kaaya goes, being a Miami fan I watch a lot of their games. He has a loooonnnngggg way to go still. He was only a true freshman this year though, so he has to play at least 2 more seasons.

Overrated. Trust your eyes, not what other people say. Cody Kessler is the much better QB.

Cody Kessler is starting to look damn good over at USC. I'll go on record saying he will be the top QB selected next year and I would want him, but there is no way our team falls off to a position of being able to draft that high. Just way too much talent. As far as the OP goes, if you look at the "franchise" and "elite" qb's in the league, more of them were drafted outside the top 3 than were drafted in the top 3. Just off the top of my head real quick: Outside - Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben, Flacco, Wilson, Rivers (4th), Romo. - 8 Inside - Peyton, Cam, Stafford, Ryan (could be just out, can't remember for sure), Luck, Eli. - 6

I agree, completely. You don't rise to the level of GM in the NFL with an attitude like that. This is even more true considering he is a first time GM who has proved nothing as of yet.

Exactly, apparently he believes that franchise QBs grow on trees. I need a franchise QB, go get one now. Can't find one immediately? I'm gone.

Marrone may have had some public speaking issues, but I guarantee you that he knows how to use paragraphs when writing.

Who cares? Orton is not a good QB. Never was, never will be. We are much better off without him on our roster and I was elated when I got the text that he retired.

Whoa, new quoting look....anyways, I agree that it may have impacted their selections. The guy only does 1/2 the job, albeit very, very well.

Fantastic. The pro-bowl means nothing, this is the recognition that signifies the cream of the crop. So much for overpaying Mario, huh? Now overpay Marcell!

I don't think you understand what "jump the shark" means. You probably mean "jumped ship." Another new thread on Doug Marrone leaving, that has jumped the shark.