Mark80

Yeah, deleting that post. I'm not getting into this argument here. It's pointless.

The league is run by a bunch of people who made their fortunes mostly through corporations. A vast majority of corporations sole purpose is to increase revenues and profit margins for their stock holders (and especially the board of directors) often by screwing over their workforce on a yearly basis through outsourcing, shipping production overseas, wage increases that are a fraction of inflation rates, increased health premiums, eliminating benefits, etc. This mentality is ingrained in a lot of them and they don't know any other way to function really. So the NFL is no different. Increase revenues year after year, increase profits year after year, no matter what it takes. I just never understood why some great things just can't be left as is. Oh wait, yes I do, pure and simple greed.

Way before my time, but sure seems like it. However, if we have to go back over 50 years to find 1 example, then I am pretty comfortable with my original thoughts on this.

Maybe we'll take your OSU boy later in the draft. He could be an example right there, but since he started the first 1/2 of the season I'm not sure it really counts though! I'm still hoping for Kessler though around 5 or 6th round.

You are just dealing in hypotheticals. If Flaco didn't transfer, if Wilson didn't transfer, if someone unknown QB doesn't transfer...the fact is that guys with the goods DO transfer to get playing time instead of being a back up because they know if they want to have a shot to hit the NFL, they need to be on the field in college. Cassell is the only guy I can think of that did not start in college and got some playing time in the NFL, but he was far from successful. If we want to try a strategy that has never, to my knowledge at least, worked in the history of the NFL, well, I guess it's bound to happen sometime, right? But I would simply prefer the more conventional routes of drafting guys who are at least good enough to play in college. I mean, if we wanted to we could take your argument to the next level...why not just hold open tryouts for any Joe Schmo that can throw a football? Hey, he's got an arm, who's to say he can't develop?

You guys are all mentioning players that were starters in their final year(s) of college. Not one of those guys was a backup. Wilson started at NC State as a senior, graduated, started at Wisconsin, Cam started at Auburn, Aikman started at UCLA, Flaco started at Delaware. The poster said to find some college backup sitting behind a star, that is not what any of these guys the season before they were drafted. You are talking year(s) before they were drafted. I am asking for an example of a guy who was a backup the season before the draft that had NFL success and Matt Cassell is not an answer to that IMO. He wrote: "Someone worth looking for would be a college second stringer with skills who was forced to sit behind a true star. Grab him and develop him. No more one game wonders like EJ."

Can you please name a single instance where this occurred and the QB had NFL success? I see your Matt Cassell example. I did say EFFECTIVE NFL QB though. If you want to consider a guy that only threw for over 3,000 yards twice and never over 4,000 an effective NFL QB, well, so be it. I think most people clearly can see that the man is and always has been terrible and if that is the best example anyone can think of, well, then I think I proved my original point.

Huh? I'm sorry, but if you can't start on your college team, you are not going to be an effective NFL player at any position, much less QB. Tom Brady sharing playing time with Henson is the only thing similar to what you are saying that I can think of and that was only because his coach was a stubborn idiot who couldn't see what everyone else saw, that Tom was a much more effective QB than Henson. Henson was just playing because of his reputation.

Taking a QB in the first round with who will likely be available when we pick and when we have other more pressing needs, would be a display of complete incompetence by our front office. I don't think they are incompetent and don't think there is really any chance we are taking a QB in the first round. A lot of people here feel differently, I know, but has there been any hint at all that they are even considering a QB in round 1? I know I haven't seen any.

There is zero chance the Broncos are letting him walk. Zero.

This was in college, obviously, but this will always stick in my mind as the greatest single moment of QB toughness.

Why would we want a guy with sub 60% completion, bad performances in his tougher games, and respected so little by his teammates that he's a fifth year starting QB who was the early favorite to be the #1 overall pick this season, yet he wasn't even named captain? I don't want him at all.

We have a whole thread dedicated to LBs up top that has been pinned.

People working in factories before the Fair Labor Standards Act also knew what they were signing up for, doesn't mean it was OK what the employers were doing. You can label it a "volunteer" job all you want, but when there are various requirements around that "volunteering" it quickly expands beyond that. As far as your "spill a cup of hot coffee on your lap" example. I implore you to educate yourself before making such references. Take a look at the pictures from that case of that ladies upper legs and thighs. I'll make it easy for you, there is one in this link...caution, it's graphic. http://x4mr.blogspot.com/2012/07/hot-coffee.html It should also be noted that McDonald's had hundreds of complaints on the temperature of their coffee before this case and settled hundreds of cases regrading it before a trial was necessary and yet still didn't lower the temperature of their coffee until after this case. That is the very definition of negligence, not acting in a reasonable manner when they had knowledge of how to do so.

Um...did you see him completely dominate the game and almost win it for the Bengals after the hit on Bernard? He knocked Big Ben out of the game and he made a fantastic interception all after the hit on Gio that got him really worked up. The team would not have been in position to blow it if he didn't make those plays.

Amazing how many football fans have no idea what spearing is. He clearly led with the crown of his helmet, that is spearing, that is a 15 yard penalty, that negates the turnover.

Add another to the ignore list.

Full article on Smith. He's back on the table boys. http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/01/08/jaylon-smith-knee-injury-full-recovery-notre-dame I think we need help in the middle more than outside, but in reality we need both so BPA at LB in the first is my opinion.

And Ragland has a fantastic LB name, doesn't he?

I think people sometimes forget just how popular OJ was at the time of the murders. He was all over TV as one of the biggest product endorsers at the time, in movies, on broadcasts, he was everywhere and adored by all. One of the biggest pop culture stories in history and really changed, for better or more likely worse, celebrity coverage in this country.

Isn't this the exact type of player that good teams take chances on with later 1st? Granted, they usually have the luxury of not having as many holes to fill, but I feel like good teams will take him, let him heal up, and if he comes back 100% then they get one of the best players in the draft way later than he should have gone. ACL/MCL injuries have pretty good recovery rates, guys who re-injure them are the exception now, not the rule. This wasn't a Lattimore or Chubb type injury where the knee was completely destroyed. As long as the Doc says his healing is progressing normally, I would still take him at 19.

Yeah, winning. Down Harvin, Goodwin, then Woods. Someone has to play.

If Ragland, Smith, or Jack are there, I'm taking them. IMO this is our biggest area of need going into the off-season. I think our LB core is pretty bad and virtually every great defense throughout history had a HOF quality LB. Bobby Wagner (off to a great start of career), Patrick Willis, Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, Mike Singletary, Even the teams with only flashes of greatness always had a very good / great LB. Von Miller, Clay Mathews, LT, Paup/Spielman Bennett/Talley, and Fletcher/Spikes. We don't have anyone even close to the level of any of the guys I just mentioned and it shows.

When asked about taking a pay cut to stay Leodis responded something like "I have plenty of money in the bank." At least he's smart enough to manage his money unlike many other professional athletes!

This. Great guy (see story with his sister), but we can't afford to keep a guy who is hurt every time he touches the ball, just can't do it. Look who we were forced to play at WR last week. You can't have guys that are so injury prone taking up spots, much less two of them (Harvin).