Mark80

Maybe, just maybe because the guy had only started 2 games before he was traded and teams hadn't seen enough of him to give up more than that knowing that they would have to re-sign him to a huge new deal on top of giving up the pick(s) (or franchise him for a huge amount). So, they could have been giving up picks for nothing after the season if he wasn't what they thought he could be. Finally, it was reported that he was unwilling to trade him in the AFC, so that took away 1/2 of the trade market for him right there.

The NFL is way too cut-throat for this non-sense. People don't do other people "favors." They simply do what is in the best interest of their team to protect their skin. The 49ers will only trade with the Pats if they think they are offered more than what their current pick is worth and no other team is offering something better. It's pretty plain and simple. Take off the tin-foil hat my man. These guys have multi-million dollar dream jobs on the line, which are in short supply.

In the OSU games that I watched during the season I would say it was the WRs making him look good. I would put money him falling into the 2nd round over a team trading up for him any day of the week.

If I'm running things I'm taking Lamar over Rudolph at 12. I'm not considering Rudolph until pick 22. Willing to trade up for (in order of preference): Darnold Mayfield Rosen Taking at 12 (in order): Jackson Allen Considering at 22: Rudolph When thinking of Rudolph all I can think of is Zach Mettenberger. Decent arm, huge stats throwing to 2 top level college WRs (Jarvis Landry and OBJ for Mettenberger) who made him look a lot better than he actually was.

1. Sam Darnold - Cleveland Browns 2. Josh Rosen - Buffalo Bills 3. Josh Allen - Arizona Cardinals 4. Baker Mayfield - New York Jets 5. Lamar Jackson - Pittsburgh Steelers Bonus: Bills Pick - Josh Rosen

Darnold had 6 picks the first 3 games this season, only 7 the rest of the way. My point, if it wasn't clear, was that a fumble issue is much easier to fix, in my opinion, than Allen's glaring accuracy issues.

Darnold has thrown 22 picks the last 2 seasons and Allen has thrown 21. Darnold has 20 fumbles to Allen's 13. We all know the difference in the level of competition between the two schools. So you are telling me that Allen's accuracy issues (49% completion at JuCo, 56% both years at Wyoming) are more correctable than Darnold's fumble issues. I'm sorry, no freaking way. I ain't buying it and I don't think any competent NFL executive is buying it either. I don't see any way the Brown's take him over Darnold. But, then again, they are the Browns.

Almost every single NFL QB has enough arm strength to throw in Buffalo. It's such an overplayed thought to say that any of these guys can't throw in the wind or snow. They are NFL QBs for heaven's sake. He will be fine. The only thing arm strength hurts you, really, is when you are trying to throw into tight windows and it gives the defenders a little bit more time to close the gaps. In a game of inches, that can matter a lot. But that is going to be the case anywhere, not just in the 1 or 2 games a year when weather is a factor in Buffalo.

I will have confidence that they saw something they really liked in him and were willing to pay to move up to get him. Now, if Darnold, Mayfield, and Rosen are gone and we "settle" for Allen at 12, then I will be a bit more concerned.

MLB. The QB of the defense.

I watched 2 UCF games this year, the one vs USF and the one vs Auburn. He was all over the place, making plays all over the field in both games. Kept saying to myself...man, there's that guy with one hand again making another play. He was flying all over the place. He's going to go in round 3 or 4 I think. I would love to have him. Only down side is his size. He's quite small for an NFL LB (his twin is a NFL CB in case you were unaware) so I'm not sure how that will translate in pass rush and run stopping ability. He has a certain "IT" factor though, that's for sure.

Gotcha, guess it didn't stay open long enough for that to come through.

Now this is ironic considering your "Mayfield will be a Bill" thread you just started.

People claiming an opinion with little to no real certainty and ending it with "period." Funny stuff.

If he were, he would have been selected before we traded our pick. It's that simple. He is probably only ahead of Jackson/Rudolph on most boards.

Yeah, because if one thing history has shown us, it's that where a QB went to college matters. I wonder, OP, without looking it up can you name single University with more than 1 hall of fame QB who went there or more than 1 considered a franchise QB currently? Didn't think so.

I love the ignore function on this site. Add another one to the list.

Neither do I.

Well, definitely my favorite name in this draft crop. so there's that.

Good call, my bad. Not sure what I was thinking....BORDERLINE Hall of Famers. How's that? I can see them both getting in eventually.

No, 2000 is the cutoff. Because McNair got a 15 in 95 and McNabb got a 14 in 99. Two Hall of Famers.

I see Cunningham, McNabb, Taylor, Jackson, Young, McNair, and even Vick's (20) and Newton's (21) score as being mentioned as low. Serious question, has there ever been a black QB that has done well on this test? Perhaps there is an inherent bias in it? Because I would gladly take Cunningham, McNabb, Vick, McNair, and Newton as my franchise QB.

If you are going to blast someone's intelligence, perhaps know the difference between two, to, and too. You're also missing a period or semicolon in the last sentence. Just sayin'.

Always a good way to earn some respect around here. SMH.

Normally I agree with this for the most part. A 5% bump is really as much as you can realistically hope for or expect. However, Lamar may be different. His mechanics were pretty rough 2 seasons ago, but he made some pretty nice adjustments last season. But that was only his first season of really trying to be a "QB." I think with good NFL positional coaching he may be able to make larger strides in the accuracy department than most.