WhitewalkerInPhilly

Short answer: No. Longer answer: If, for some reason, the Bills hit nine losses. Yes. I will back up I do truly believe that there is no "let's flip a switch and start winning" answer. If so, by now, the Browns would be amazing. You need to have established some success, have moving pieces, and then get lucky by having a solid group prepped on a draft year that nets you fantastic results. The Cowboys (though I hate to say it) are a prime example. They took years of ugly but useful picks, and then had one bad year and got lucky enough to snag a fantastic rookie QB/RB combo. If we see some good pieces. If we see something that is close to "if we have one or two pieces we are in the running for the Super Bowl every year for the next five years" I can see throwing the rest of the season to finish the job. I don't see those pieces right now. And like I said, if we are lined for a tank year 2018 is when we can get rid of a lot of money.

This topic idea is not a new one. We went a few rounds on it a while ago, but I'm not going to be a dick and try to force this back into an older thread Look. Honestly, I think a tank this season is a bad play. It is simply a bad year to try for it. The superior year would be 2018 We have too many contracts that yield us nothing. Dareus, Clay, Hughes and Shady give us nothing. The time when it might give us any profit is 2018 If we want to tank in 2018, keeping Kyle this year does no harm to 2019. I am not in favor of a tank any year. But tanking this year would be exceptionally stupid.

OK, quick note here. Johnny. Johnny. This. This is something that seems like a somewhat coherent thought. I may not agree with everything, but I think that I may have a discussion with this person. I apologize for hijacking you like this DaBills, but I think you came in with a reasonable take on why this year may not be the best, and why Whaley may be in a do or die mode based on the capricious nature of the NFL and a brutal schedule and uncertainty as to QB. Which brings me to you. Look man, I have been trying to be nice. But let's get real here. You are not the first person the trash Whaley on this board. You are not the 100th. Rambling about how we are all out to get you does not make your points seem more cogent. It makes you sound more butt hurt. This is the polite, informative part of the program. Bring something new. Bring something, a new take. Aim for higher discourse. If you think Whaley sucks, please establish why. There are people who agree with you here. Point out the connection with drafting EJ. Point out the Sammy trade (of which my sig will tell you I have doubts). Mention KuJo, and how he came on late for a second round pick and may bust out. Address fact you have. Give groundable reasons for conjecture. Just please, for the love of god, don't try to hang your laurels on stuff that you commented about that TBN eventually did a half hearted article about months later. People here write articles. No one is impressed. I have tried to list contributors. People that are respected outside of this board. You have proven nothing compared to them. For the record, I haven't either. I also don't seem eager to shove my junk into a light socket like you seem eager to do so go ahead.

I agree with these parts. Look, everyone was new here once. God knows I've had my moments. Like LA mentioned, there's a lot of good stuff here. We got some love from John Wawrow during the coaching search and while he couldn't say certain things it was great when we were desperate for news. Contributors from Billswire, Buffalo Rumblings and Cover 1 have accounts here. And they often are willing to share insight. 26CornerBlitz and YoloinOhio relentlessly link whatever stories they come across. So you *can* spout off the top of your head, but you will be critiqued. Quickly. Edit: I forgot to give props to Astro, the guy who makes close to daily reports from training camp and is the Bills contributer for DraftTek. We even have Leroi to leak stuff that is sometimes true.

I would like to say, for the record, that SDS has done a phenomenal job with this place. I joined about 8 years ago, which makes me a young un. There is spirited debate here. Sometimes, we go many rounds and it is infuriating. But we also have posts and posters where, no lie, I come here for my first source of news. Rob Quinn, formerly of BillsMafia and Building the Herd and currently the BillsWire reporter for USA Today posts here. Cover 1, one of the better film breakdown sites, posts here. John Wawrow, who has access to Terry Pegula, dropped in and gave us some card readings about the coaching search. There is good stuff here. Don't abuse it.

I see the predicted influx of people from the BB boards is beginning. Look bro, I am going to offer the best advice I can: the easiest thing on one of these boards is to rag on somebody in the Bills organization. It is so easy. It will immediately get you into discussions, and we will go 15 rounds on them. Avoid that instinct. Look for something unique. Break down film. Scour news sources. Think of scheme breakdowns. Because HAWT TAKE ALERT gets old, real quick. To be fair, even are a journeyman here I forget and slip up. We are fairly forgiving at first. But when the knives come out, whoo boy.

Whoever they take at #1 Hey, I want us to keep Tyrod. BUT (big but) if the FO has decided to move on, ideally, what we get is a swing at a top 6 pick and a free shot at drafting whoever we want.

Vic published a piece which says that the Browns, Niners and Jets all have interest in Taylor. https://buffalonews.com/2017/03/02/browns-49ers-jets-known-interest-taylor/ Vic thinks that it's only if they release him, but you have to think that the Niners or Browns might be willing to pull the trigger to get priority.

Yeah isn't there a cap minimum that they have to hit? But it also could be something along the lines of "we don't want to rush a rookie QB in, let's get someone competent who can hold things down for a season or two." The consensus I'm hearing from the Draftniks is that there isn't any QB who is a locked in Day 1, plug in and play kind of deal. That would give them time.

It's an interesting idea. I like Tyrod, but if the Browns were to come in and say "We want to start winning now. We want a real option in place while we groom our franchise guy. Here is the 12th or (even 33rd pick) in the draft and a load of cap space." That deserves some consideration.

FWIW, that's the conclusion I came to as well by the press conference and what they've been doing. They say they want to win now, so you don't bet the farm on a shaky QB class this year. It would be a colossal bad idea to cut Shady now, and only marginally better to trade him. I love the way our D-line is now looking.

Fair enough. Poor phrasing on my end. He was *projected* as being taken in the top 5 before the news broke. If he drops to 10, take him and run.

We could use 2 safeties, so I am not opposed to hiring a vet and then drafting Hooker to let him work it. The guy was top 5 talent before the news broke.

Like Carolina did last year. Again, theres a good chance McDermott and Whaley looked three years down the road and said "we're not keeping him that long" and letting him walk is the right move. It was for Byrd. But I think we miss him next year.

I'll have to be. I think that now we better splurge at safety because they are going to need help. Hopefully Darby is better when he's not on an island and goes back to 2015 form.

I'd rather that we had tagged him and then worked out a bridge deal. But what's done is done. Now that he's going to hit the open market, someone is going to massively overpay for him. This year is supposed to be a very deep CB draft, so it's not a bad year to draft for replacement. If they use the $14 M to, say, bring back Zach Brown and pick up a veteran safety or two (possibly Byrd if he gets cut) I feel considerably better at picking BPA at 10.

I am going to say that the worst part of this is that Ty Dunne went over to Bleacher Report. Damn, he used to be good too.

This is kind of where I'm at too. I like Tyrod. I think his play is electrifying. But he is not going to be a kind of QB who drags his team to the Super Bowl. Maybe he can be an Alex Smith with the Chiefs but they keep flaming out. Maybe if they trade onto the late first or very early second I am ok with a QB there.

For the record, I want Tyrod back. But if the Bills are determined to move on, and have their hearts set on a rookie, I would much rather have Foles than Romo. He's going to be cheaper than either Romo or Tyrod. While he has plenty of flaws in his game, he can at least move the chains in a WCO.

I was more about how old I feel. I still drink the Kool Aid!

The thing is, if you are talking about an Eagles trade, I am seeing very little that you would want to get back in return. They did get an extra 4th for Bradford (which I still contend that despite all the local grumbling, a trade of Bradford for the #14 pick and a fourth looks ludicrously good right now) but there's no way they are giving us anything close to equivalent of what we spent on Ragland. In fact, they are shopping LBs right now. I don't think there are any. Which is good, because I was a noob once. And I just made myself sad realizing that was 8.5 years ago. Womp womp. I think he's gotten a taste of what it's like here.

I think Ragland was originally a ILB on a 3-4 Alabama team. I was looking at what Chris Trapasso had up at Buffalo Rumblings about personnel fit. It looks like MLB and SLB kind of shift based on whether they are doing 4-3 over or under. He's definitely not a WLB (why they are going after Zach allegedly) but I can see him as a kind of a S/MLB hybridge on those packages. Yeah, I never understood that knock on him. I can kind of see him in a Luke K. role.

How about the obvious: we don't know what he can do. And no other team will either. Second, who is saying the Ragland doesn't fit? Ragland is a bit of a thumper, but the scouting reports I heard had him as better mobility and pass coverage ability than people give him credit for, so closer to a rich man's Brandon Spikes. Plus, McDermott likes the double A gap attack, both as a real blitz and a feint. Third, what are we going to get for him?

I've made this rant before, but the NFL has hurt their product and are afraid to move back to fix it. We have Madden-ized the game. The NFL has made a conscious choice about what was going to win games, and it's high volumes of passing with a lot of scoring. And it's what fans think they want. If you don't believe me, drag up the logs from last year and listen to people talking about a very tight game and defensive struggle might have been the worst of all time. The Atlanta defense played in epic fashion at points last night and it didn't matter. I was cringing as they got three straight third down conversions off of holding penalties, including one that turned a 3rd and 9 to a 1st and 10. Atlanta held up as well as it did calling itself the fastest defense in football, and they kept making plays. However, when you only need one slip, or one big penalty to let the offense have one bite at the apple, it rewards high volume offenses. You give put first downs for a tug on the jersey at 5.1 yards. Offensive pass interference occurs regularly but typically gets overlooked as "playing for the ball" when similar behavior gets a flag on defense. Roughing the passer gets called (on QBs not named Cam Newton) for legal hits while they are holding the ball behind the line of scrimmage or released it a hair before impact. Defenseless receiver rules tend to penalize hard hits at the moment of the catch to jar the ball loose, while waiting that second gives them the first down anyway. The upshot is that, typically (there are exceptions) the team with the most prolific passer wins that game. If you have an above average quarterback, you win a lot of games. When you have someone like Tom Brady, or Aaron Rodgers you can drag whatever is around you to the playoffs, where you have a chance. Rodgers pretty much dragged his team there while it was falling apart around him. Second tier guys like Big Ben and Matt Ryan and Drew Brees and Andy Dalton and Andrew Luck and Cam Newton and Russel Wilson can all get you there if you have half decent pieces around them. And hey, if you get all the right pieces maybe they can slam home a win, so you better pay them like kings so they stay. So you pay them like kings to stay, which cuts up most of your cap room. And that drives up the market so guys like Ryan Tannehill and Tyrod Taylor and Ryan Fitzpatrick and Alex Smith will always find work. Because hey, if you get a similar group of pieces that let someone else win the big one, and then one of these, at least you are competitive, right? And that's what lets Brock Osweiler walk into the contract he got, for a team whose defense bailed him out. So much has become trying to find the next Brady or Rodgers that guys who normally would sit on the bench for a couple of years now get thrown out hoping they are the next big thing. Teams have stripped colleges of guys who might have come back for a fourth or fifth year. There is no immediate help on the horizon. Now, the simplest thing would be to go back to 90s/early 2000s era football. But they won't. Fans want gaudy numbers, and then complain about how mediocre and lopsided the league is. CTE findings mean that tackling is likely going to be reduced, not increased. So I don't know what to tell you.

Good news for us. I've been seeing him go top 5 in some mocks. He would be a steal at 10.