WhitewalkerInPhilly

For the night is dark and full of terrors.

Whhhhyyyyy?

Agreed. And I'm the one who started the thread.

Something like this. Every year it seems like one really good or exciting team gets left out of the playoffs. Less so this year less so with Mariota going down, but the Titans and Bucs were knocking on the door and instead you got the Texans vs a Derek Carr-less Raiders and the Patriots.

I realize how in the wrong I am when FireChan agrees with me. Again, he's not first, second or third choice. But when Marty Mornhinweg is on your list, how much lower can you go?

I feel dirty writing this. I wanted Lynn back, but Lynn is gone. I was good with McCoy, but McCoy is gone. I balked and Norv Turner, but last I read he was off the table. Chip Kelly, absolute failure that he was as GM and as HC, still had a lot of success on offense. It wasn't just the fast pace, he really did draw up some really clever plays. He got Shady to a career year rushing. Vick was his first choice at QB when he took over, which is probably the closest comparison to Tyrod's game. He's not my first choice, and there are obvious complications, but who else do ya got?

Someone on PFF actually charted Taylor's throws this year. By zone, his two highest QB ratings were over the middle between 10-19, and 0-9 respectively https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-bills-should-build-around-tyrod-taylor-not-show-him-the-door/ I like the premise: get Mike Williams or Juju at 10. Fix the defense. Keep up the run game.

I think the Alex Smith comparison is an apt one. Tyrod is never going to be the guy who will consistently put the entire team on his back. But there are stretches where he elevates the play of those around him and rarely makes the big mistake that kills you. When Smith was paired with a strong D and run game in San Fran they were serious contenders, and he has had serious runs with Andy Reid in KC.

To be fair, he tends to stick with the Jim Johnson 4-3, which is a 4-3 under. That said, I think it fits us well. Left to right on the D line: Hughes-Kyle-Dareus-Lawson

Lol. Well played. That is kind of the point. LAconjecture throws out everything he's heard no filter. JW filters and sometimes it's frustrating because of that prevents things like this.

...wow. Just wow. Next he will talk about how Gregg waa a defense guy too.

Thing is, Hue is still highly regarded. The Browns clearly planned to fail this year and have abundant cap space, and now that have the 1st and 12th overall picks. Say what you want about the FO, I like the McDermott pick.

Like they had no chance of getting a candidate like McDermott. I am still fine with Lynn staying.

Dang, I was hoping we could tender him. We need to upgrade, but I like him as a RZ target.

Nice. But I think he's a RFA, isn't he?

Zach

Lynn?

I have no idea where you get your numbers. Let's imagine for a hot second that we cut Taylor, and franchising Gilmore winds up being roughly equal. You're still at $19 M instead of my $10 that I suggested after rookies. That's 2-3 journeymen FA's as opposed to the 1-2 that I suggested? So yeah, you plug one more hole. But what the hell do we do at QB? Throw Cardale out there? Pick up another cast off and hope he is as good? Get a vet in the twilight of his career, and spend picks to get somone who will cost the same or more as Tyrod? You either write off next season, or you bet the farm on a QB. And now you are doing the "drafting for need" you just took me to task for. Or. Or. We get Tyrod to restructure or give Gilmore a phantom year or two. Like I said the first time.

If you think Graham is good enough at safety, I don't know what to tell you. The way I see it, we need 2 S and 2 WR, maybe a LB to fill in the gaps. Whaley has had a lot of luck picking people playing beyond their contract there. Decent journeymen at WR and S tend to go for $6 a year now. So get one with the cap space I mentioned and use the rest on RFA or UDFA for your depth. Then, come draft time take the best WR or safety at 10, whatever you don't get there in rounds 2 or 3 and pick up a later rounder of whatever you have journeymen for. It's tight, but that gets you there without any restructures, and I haven't even mentioned tough potential cuts like Kyle or Wood.

I don't get why your assuming we can't keep both. Even without a Tyrod restructure, we have $25 million now. Carp and Graham are easy cuts for another 6. Even with using the franchise tag, following the increase rate a CB is $14.2. After draft rookie deals, we are looking at $10.2 M in cap space. That's enough to sign one or two journeymen to plug holes and tag your RFA's and still have some extra even before you start renegotiating or thinking about hard cuts. You can easily reduce Gilmore's hit my giving him a bridge with phantom years like the Jets with Fitz and the Eagles with Bradford. Tyrod might want to renegotiate if he wants any security after this year. There are ways to make it work.

Up until this year Quinn was a blogger for BillsMafia/FamBase, and BuildingTheHerd. This year he got the national media nod, and for the most part I think he does great work. He's a poster on here too.

What, that can't be right. I heard from TBN that everything in the front office and organization was a tire fire and that we should let it burn!!!

C'mon, it's Florio. Never let facts get I'm the way of a good story.

In all fairness, in Denver he managed to rework the offense for Tebow. But I would prefer that he use the run heavy, read option planning with Tyrod and Shady.