WhitewalkerInPhilly

Dude, plenty of people use Buffalo Rumblings. I dislike his relying upon pay cuts and extensions to get cap space. I would prefer that we knuckle down and go crazy spending next year. Really I think we have to really stock up on UDFA's. Maybe we find one or two diamonds in the rough.

Chris Trapasso did a nice write up of it here: http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/1/20/14331974/rick-dennison-buffalo-bills-offensive-coordinator-tyrod-taylor-all-22 Highlights include Purely zone blocking as opposed to Roman's hybrid system and very little pulling A lot of stretch plays and fullback blocking A lot of bootleg plays plenty of trips formations focus on short passes with high YAC (ideally with Sammy and Shady) Honestly, I think Tyrod is well suited to the offense. I keep hearing things like "oh, he doesn't meet my eye test" and he certainly has flaws, but short passes have never been the problem, it's the intermediate ones he tends to leave on the table.

Look, I love Christie. There may never be a better kicker in my lifetime. But at the end of the day, Carp was getting a decent amount of money for the position he was in. And two years ago I cheered that deal. But that was before the XP changes, and that happened to be in his danger zone. He really regressed the last two years. In 2014 he was clutch. In 2016, he choked in the biggest moments. The Seahawks and Phins came come to mind immediately but there were a lot of missed kicks. Maybe the Bills could have gotten a way to work him through the funk, but for the cap space he was getting, we can get a 6th round pick and let the coaches work on that guy.

Yeah. He was rough in the Seahawks game and that was heartbreaking to lose. But other than that he did a good job. Having a capable backup guard/center is worth the tender.

Yes. I would go into it more, but I have a feeling this is going into PPP turf.

You know I've been seeing that around a lot and I don't get it. I mean, it's not the best journalism in the world (BBC, NPR & WSJ are some of the most universally trusted) but apart from a slight conservative bias they seemed balanced. Yet lately I've heard them described as of they were a homeless guy on the corner shreiking about our new lizard overlords. What gives?

Not for a third. I would want a sweetener if it was the 33rd pick, but might ultimately take it. A third is way too little. We should only take it if they have decided for sure to draft a QB at 10.

Seriously, from what I am have seen you are cool. We have (and allow) plenty of hot takes and conjecture, but analysis and perspective is valued. I am pretty sure that 3rd and 12 are in lockstep on this one buddy.

Honestly? I would do that deal in a heartbeat. And I like Tyrod, I really do. But in a draft where I think we could load up, and also have long term rights on one of the best WRs in the game?

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Well, if you are talking about a loose definition... Look, we will gain few enemies saying that the current organization is incompetent until they actually win anything. That is half of the naysayers on the board. Dude, just give us something a bit different.

Oh, we still have our lingering jokes. "F5" for the number of times we were hitting it to get an update. And "ground up and in the freezer" for reasons I am now not sure of. I believe it was how most of us kept our coffee. How the most depraved of us kept the loves of our lives.

Ok. Cool. There is a possibility that we are in a merger backlash. Please, in a measured, reasoned tone (with sources preferred) list your problems with GM Doug Whaley. I will provide a possible starter pack of topics: -The EJ Manuel pick (though the trade down did give us Kiko and through that Shady) -Kujo-A 2nd round pick who has barely made it to the field, a swing tackle -The trade up for Sammy when OBJ could have been obtainable had we stayed put -The nature of the extension of Tyrod Taylor, and whether spending more in 2016 to have him long term was worth controlling him in 2017 if this seems like a pre-formed list, it's because we have already gone on about it. But if you have unique and interesting insight about more on these topics, or other things Doug Whaley has done I would be excited to hear it.

Short answer: No. Longer answer: If, for some reason, the Bills hit nine losses. Yes. I will back up I do truly believe that there is no "let's flip a switch and start winning" answer. If so, by now, the Browns would be amazing. You need to have established some success, have moving pieces, and then get lucky by having a solid group prepped on a draft year that nets you fantastic results. The Cowboys (though I hate to say it) are a prime example. They took years of ugly but useful picks, and then had one bad year and got lucky enough to snag a fantastic rookie QB/RB combo. If we see some good pieces. If we see something that is close to "if we have one or two pieces we are in the running for the Super Bowl every year for the next five years" I can see throwing the rest of the season to finish the job. I don't see those pieces right now. And like I said, if we are lined for a tank year 2018 is when we can get rid of a lot of money.

This topic idea is not a new one. We went a few rounds on it a while ago, but I'm not going to be a dick and try to force this back into an older thread Look. Honestly, I think a tank this season is a bad play. It is simply a bad year to try for it. The superior year would be 2018 We have too many contracts that yield us nothing. Dareus, Clay, Hughes and Shady give us nothing. The time when it might give us any profit is 2018 If we want to tank in 2018, keeping Kyle this year does no harm to 2019. I am not in favor of a tank any year. But tanking this year would be exceptionally stupid.

OK, quick note here. Johnny. Johnny. This. This is something that seems like a somewhat coherent thought. I may not agree with everything, but I think that I may have a discussion with this person. I apologize for hijacking you like this DaBills, but I think you came in with a reasonable take on why this year may not be the best, and why Whaley may be in a do or die mode based on the capricious nature of the NFL and a brutal schedule and uncertainty as to QB. Which brings me to you. Look man, I have been trying to be nice. But let's get real here. You are not the first person the trash Whaley on this board. You are not the 100th. Rambling about how we are all out to get you does not make your points seem more cogent. It makes you sound more butt hurt. This is the polite, informative part of the program. Bring something new. Bring something, a new take. Aim for higher discourse. If you think Whaley sucks, please establish why. There are people who agree with you here. Point out the connection with drafting EJ. Point out the Sammy trade (of which my sig will tell you I have doubts). Mention KuJo, and how he came on late for a second round pick and may bust out. Address fact you have. Give groundable reasons for conjecture. Just please, for the love of god, don't try to hang your laurels on stuff that you commented about that TBN eventually did a half hearted article about months later. People here write articles. No one is impressed. I have tried to list contributors. People that are respected outside of this board. You have proven nothing compared to them. For the record, I haven't either. I also don't seem eager to shove my junk into a light socket like you seem eager to do so go ahead.

I agree with these parts. Look, everyone was new here once. God knows I've had my moments. Like LA mentioned, there's a lot of good stuff here. We got some love from John Wawrow during the coaching search and while he couldn't say certain things it was great when we were desperate for news. Contributors from Billswire, Buffalo Rumblings and Cover 1 have accounts here. And they often are willing to share insight. 26CornerBlitz and YoloinOhio relentlessly link whatever stories they come across. So you *can* spout off the top of your head, but you will be critiqued. Quickly. Edit: I forgot to give props to Astro, the guy who makes close to daily reports from training camp and is the Bills contributer for DraftTek. We even have Leroi to leak stuff that is sometimes true.

I would like to say, for the record, that SDS has done a phenomenal job with this place. I joined about 8 years ago, which makes me a young un. There is spirited debate here. Sometimes, we go many rounds and it is infuriating. But we also have posts and posters where, no lie, I come here for my first source of news. Rob Quinn, formerly of BillsMafia and Building the Herd and currently the BillsWire reporter for USA Today posts here. Cover 1, one of the better film breakdown sites, posts here. John Wawrow, who has access to Terry Pegula, dropped in and gave us some card readings about the coaching search. There is good stuff here. Don't abuse it.

I see the predicted influx of people from the BB boards is beginning. Look bro, I am going to offer the best advice I can: the easiest thing on one of these boards is to rag on somebody in the Bills organization. It is so easy. It will immediately get you into discussions, and we will go 15 rounds on them. Avoid that instinct. Look for something unique. Break down film. Scour news sources. Think of scheme breakdowns. Because HAWT TAKE ALERT gets old, real quick. To be fair, even are a journeyman here I forget and slip up. We are fairly forgiving at first. But when the knives come out, whoo boy.

Whoever they take at #1 Hey, I want us to keep Tyrod. BUT (big but) if the FO has decided to move on, ideally, what we get is a swing at a top 6 pick and a free shot at drafting whoever we want.

Vic published a piece which says that the Browns, Niners and Jets all have interest in Taylor. https://buffalonews.com/2017/03/02/browns-49ers-jets-known-interest-taylor/ Vic thinks that it's only if they release him, but you have to think that the Niners or Browns might be willing to pull the trigger to get priority.

Yeah isn't there a cap minimum that they have to hit? But it also could be something along the lines of "we don't want to rush a rookie QB in, let's get someone competent who can hold things down for a season or two." The consensus I'm hearing from the Draftniks is that there isn't any QB who is a locked in Day 1, plug in and play kind of deal. That would give them time.

It's an interesting idea. I like Tyrod, but if the Browns were to come in and say "We want to start winning now. We want a real option in place while we groom our franchise guy. Here is the 12th or (even 33rd pick) in the draft and a load of cap space." That deserves some consideration.

FWIW, that's the conclusion I came to as well by the press conference and what they've been doing. They say they want to win now, so you don't bet the farm on a shaky QB class this year. It would be a colossal bad idea to cut Shady now, and only marginally better to trade him. I love the way our D-line is now looking.

Fair enough. Poor phrasing on my end. He was *projected* as being taken in the top 5 before the news broke. If he drops to 10, take him and run.