WhitewalkerInPhilly

OK, summary time. For reasons I will go into later, I got back fairly late and was too out of it to post. First of all, the city of Philadelphia might not know how to handle snow, but they know how to handle crowd flow. Roads were shut down well in advance, and the strategically slowed down/limited public transport downtown. This was ultimately necessary to keep crowds manageable, but for those who took mass transit in and out of NJ, it was easily an hour wait to get onto a platform in and out of the city. Special train service in opened at 6 am. by 6:30, when my wife (the Eagles fan) and I arrived, the train parking lot was almost entirely full. The line to get into the building snaked a block up, curled around the next block, and then snaked over itself again. People were, for the most part, really well behaved. There was public drinking, open containers, gouts of weed smoke and loud chanting all around. And yet, the worst things that happened all day was a couple of drops of water or beer got splashed on me, and a drunk grabbed me by the back of my jacket to say how nothing else mattered anymore. That was in 7 hours of standing around with people getting liquored up. Mostly there was high fiving, and hugging. Legitimate passion and joy. Of course, there were things that couldn't be accounted for: it was cold. Not direly, but below freezing, and by 9:30 you couldn't move without risking your spot. There were limited bathrooms and, in contrast to how I do most Bills days, was stone cold sober. I am never doing that again. I didn't have nearly the emotional impact of everyone around me. I am sure that if the day comes in my lifetime when the Bills win it all, my face will look the same as everyone else around me.

Actually everyone is pretty well behaved so far. A little drinking and shouting but it's happy go lucky.

It is crazy on Broad 3.5 hours before start time

Well, my work shut down on so I'm going to the parade. Pictures and reflections to come. Wish me well and let me know if you are out there too.

I call that a good no call. Every Eagle is turned around, and contact is far less than the mugging than Gronk regularly doles out to DBs

It's a crazy story. Back in 2015 he was effectively banished, stripped of authority and sent around the building because Chip Kelly wanted to be GM. He got brought back after Kelly imploded. In 2016 he gets Carson Wentz. In 2017, he assembles a Super Bowl squad. But to the OP... It's an interesting case. *Good* RB's are indeed a dime a dozen, and can be obtained pretty easily in the 3rd-5th rounds. RBs that change the game, like Shady, or Bell or Zeke can, well, they go higher.

It's in a high level business meeting

Philly looked at it similarly two weeks ago. Even while they were up going into half time and were due to get the ball back, Pederson zipped down the field for another field goal while Marrone one else. It was the same mindset last night where they got the touchdown

Amen men. I am one of those, and I would like to point out: the rest of the team matters. Wentz was there all last season, and they ended 6-10. Of course, last year Johnson was out with a suspension for most of the year. They had no running game. Their best WR was Jordan Matthews. Roseman realized that it wasn't enough, and last offseason splurged on Torrey Smith, Alshon Jeffrey, and Blount (and Darby), and then traded for Ajayi during the year. He even took a shot on Chance Warmack to see if it would upgrade the line. Suddenly, Wentz looks like an MVP and they have the best 3rd down conversion % in the league. What I take is their methodology: it is ok to struggle for a year if you have to spend your resources to get your franchise QB, whether that be picks, or cap space. Then, once you have that, identify your weaknesses and go out and get the players you need. The Eagles will not have many draft picks this offseason. There is no way they keep all their FA's. Do they care about that right now? Heck no.

I think they do. Wentz was the NFL leader in touchdowns before he went down. He is the better consistent player. That said, Foles had two nigh perfect games back to back. I have to commend that. But he is not worth a 1st like some people here are asking for.

I've also been around last year when Eagles fans were roasting him for going for it on 4th and long instead of kicking a field goal. There were calls for him to be fired after the end of his first season. His playcalling was considered suspect even through the start of the season because he was considered pass happy. Now, we have the benefit of hindsight. But let's try to take a few lessons about jumping the gun on coaches, ok?

Blunty, from a business perspective, there is no reason he should from any way you look at it. The impending Smith trade and new contract resets the market. Cousins hitting the open market is going to explode it further. I was thinking that his contract was looking cheap (for the position!) if we want a bridge QB to prepare a rookie. So really, the options are: A) He takes yet another paycut, diminishing what he can ask for going forward in FA. B) He refuses to take a paycut, and gets cut. He enters a FA market on a short team deal, probably as a high end backup making Chase Daniel money for a minimal amount of work or waits until someone gets injured in training camp like Bridgewater or Tannehill. The Bills are forced to eat his dead cap and likely have to pay more overall to find what posters here consider an "upgrade". C) He refuses to take a paycut, and is kept as a bridge QB. He takes his money, and enters a FA market with a new bar set by Smith and Cousins. He really has no incentive, long run, to take the cut.

I would love it, be as others have pointed out, you would think that McDaniels wouldn't take that job if he was going to get rid of Luck. If he was, that should be a red flag. But man, I would still pull the trigger...I can fantasize, right?

I think the dead cap is stuck from the renegotiations from when Tyrod took less money in 2017 and fewer years to stay on. That signing bonus stays annualized IIRC and advances to dead cap if cut. I think the numbers are a bit off. Clay can be cut for $4.5 after June first, but it won't provide cap relief for FA season even if we designate him. It would only provide cap relief for emergency free agents, and push the rest of the dead money to 2019. It makes more sense to keep him for his year at least.

First thing: Releasing Tyrod incurs $8.6 million in dead cap. You get nowhere near the amount of cap space that you are suggest. That's a big reason why I think he will be back in some capacity. I do think we keep Shady. I know RBs hit the wall fast, but we absolutely got our money's worth in 2017 and Barry Sanders (who he is most compared to) never slowed down either. A lot of hard decisions will have to be made, and I expect a LOT of UDFAs and guys like Lorax (2016 version) in camp and on the roster. But blowing up the roster when we have so much dead cap already doesn't seem likely to me.

Dude, I'm living in Philly. I am pumped!

There is a big difference between Tyrod being on the roster, and Tyrod being the unquestioned starter for the entirety of 2018. I sincerely think that TT is likely the best bridge option available to us. I also sincerely think that the Bills are going to take a swing at a rookie. And I don't hate to say that I think that a journeyman vet who got us to the playoffs is already on contract while we get the rookie ready. Excuse me, but I have to step into some very important high level business meetings...

These are the points I took away with it 1) The QB market is going to be insane. I thought it was going to be anyway, and this now blows that out of the water. 3) Yeah...the Browns have the 1st overall pick (again) and are bidding heavily for a vet player. They don't do this if they are 100% sold on the class. 5) I definitely see the Giants and the Colts as possible trade partners. If the FO thinks they have their guy, and he makes it there, I am ok with betting the farm here.

I brought it up with some other Petermaniacs (when they brought up the Colts game as a positive indicator) that the QB I wanted to see more of was Joe Webb. Not that I think that he has a shot of being a quality starter, but the trick play gimmick ability made him more valuable than Peterman.

Not because of one bad outing. And we are not throwing him in a trash heap. But, no there is zero reason to have faith in him for the long term. There is a reason why he went in he fifth round. Arm strength and quality of experience were serious question marks, and he was supposed to maybe have a glimmer of hope with his excellent decision making and ability to read a defense pre-snap. So far, his weaknesses have been worse than anticipated. His supposed strengths have been even worse than that. I know that not every pick in the Chargers game was his fault, but the sheer number of them has shown that he doesn't make good decisions. I know the Jacksonville INT should have come back, but even that was underthrown and had zero chance of getting to the WR, never mind a good decision considering how tight the coverage was. Like I've said in other threads, when the best game of his career so far is a 50% completion rate for 57 yards, it is time to look elsewhere.

Trade up. It's not even close

I hadn't been on since yesterday morning. It was my first thought when I saw the post.

If that you Jeff?

I know. It's my little fantasy. At this point, I would rather use them as a potential trading partner if we really think we have our guy than any other vet QB. I don't want us to get into a bidding war for Cousins, and even if we did I think we lose. tagged into response

Well, it's official: There are two outside veteran QBs I would considering bringing in. Luck, and Cousins. Each will costs a king's ransom. I don't want any of the other scrubs.