WhitewalkerInPhilly

...I mean, that's an extremely low bar to set. But yes, I can rebuke that. You see, we managed to get through that humanitarian crisis with compassion without completely disregarding the rule of law. Guess what you don't need to do that? Answer: A wall. You stupid shites. Further answer: You know what isn't getting passed while Trump shuts down the government: $1.9 Billion in border security.

Give Nancy? Dude, the Senate unanimously voted on the continuing resolutions that the House signed. It's Lil' Baby Trump who is trying to tack something on at the last moment.

You know...passing out candy, and then literally going "Bye Bye" because Pelosi didn't immediately giving what he wants... I honestly could not have made a bigger case for Lil' Trump Awww...he's trying to waste billions in spending and give white nationalists hardons….

You mean that time when the Democrats reopened the government after Trump reneged about the DACA fix? I don't know how you can look at President Con Man and think it's the DEMS who are the lying two faced pieces of excrement.

Well, if the shutdown continues, we can turn off the water in the Whitehouse https://wamu.org/story/19/01/08/the-feds-didnt-pay-their-5-million-water-bill-can-d-c-shut-off-water-to-the-white-house/

You mean...that when Trump shoots himself in the foot and causes mass absences from the TSA (and no inspections form the FAA), and holds up the funding for border security...and it's somehow the Democrats fault? It's Lil' Baby Donny and whose whining is causing it and Turtle Head Mitch who isn't holding his feet to the fire. The Trumptards here and around the nation have honestly cured me of the illusion that America is great right now. I think they got it right here: It goddamn used to be.

You're offering a false dichotomy and a nice bit of circular logic. When you say "Everyone who crosses the border illegally is a criminal" and then "We have to increase border security, look at all the criminals we caught crossing the border" you get a nice bit of a feedback loop. I am all for stemming the drug flow into the country. I am all for stopping human trafficking. But, as I have repeatedly brought up in those fact check articles, most of the drug smuggling is through legal ports of entry. Human trafficking is in no way inhibited by the wall. All the wall does is give you a hardon. As for the others things you mentioned... Remember when America was great...it seems to be when we had all those immigrants.

But...but...I was told by Boyst that the Washington Post can't be trusted Wait...you don't have issues with national security? What a relief. We almost built an effin' wall!

Funny, that's not what he said: "I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck" I think we all remember that. I seem to remember the Senate passing a bill to avoid a shutdown 100-0, told that this would avert a shutdown. I seem to remember a sudden flip right after that. Trump took the credit. So goes the credit, goes the blame. If you want to ride McConnell too, let's go ahead, but the decision is 100% on Lil' Baby Trumpy

Why? They didn't shut the government down. Every person who gets screwed over by Trump means another person more likely to vote for them. If they DO eventually give an inch, then they're the heroes who had to make a devil's bargain.

Democrats: "Hi we passed a bill to fund the government, which included border security. We can debate and negotiate the other thing you want once that is done." Trump: "No. Give me it now. I will be responsible for shutting the government down." Democrats: "...ok." Trump: "...are you ready to give me what I want yet?" Democrats: "...No. We said we can discuss it after the government is open." Trump: "Why did you shut the government down then?!!!" Yeah...both sides. Kind of like how it's both sides when someone commits vehicular manslaughter and the others shouted.

Read my ****ing location you moron. It's like saying "Buffalo" when you play your games in Orchard Park.

It will be on Friday. Clearly, "aren't getting" is not the same thing as "Haven't got" Food stamps will in about a month. People already can't get any federal processing of loans. Contractors who worked for the federal government are unlikely to get backpay. It's funny watching the people who love Breitbart and Fox News calling other people drones...oh wait, you just said that Fox News wasn't a reliable source. How is 4chan and the Daily Stormer working for you?

The veto threatened to shutdown the government if any spending bill is passed without "DA WALL!!!!!!!!! NANCY AND CHUCK WON'T GIVE ME MY WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAL" The spending Bills passed the House. They are the same bills that the Senate unanimously passed back in December, 100-0. It's just lil' Baby Donny having his temper tantrum that is holding things up.

I'm in Jersey. Thank Christ, I don't need to call them. Both are voting yes on the bills that would restart the government without an extra $5 billion in useless spending. The question is "why aren't you calling your congressmen to get them off their asses and override the damn veto"

So...for people who aren't paying attention and are completely oblivious, he did more by restating exactly the same baloney he says on Twitter? I don't buy it. That little pep talk going to do jack for the people who aren't getting paychecks, or are about to run out of food stamps, or can't close on a house or aren't getting their tax refunds.

You know, I actually agree with you. To be honest, I think the idea of a contiguous wall is infeasible and stupid. If the compromise is strategically placed barriers, increased enforcement, but you actually make some progress on paths to citizenship and/or legal residency (with proper monitoring and vetting) I could stomach it. There are legitimate chips on the table for real immigration reform and border protection. We shouldn't be putting the entire government on hold to have them be the stakes in a fake crisis.

...I am going to screencap the part where you said that Fox News is not a fair and worthwhile source. Just for the record. How about NPR News? Pretty much the most straight line, centrist reporting? (https://www.allsides.com/news-source/npr-media-bias) https://www.npr.org/2019/01/09/683474397/7-takeaways-from-president-trumps-oval-office-address https://www.npr.org/2019/01/08/683205814/fact-check-trumps-oval-office-pitch-for-a-border-wall

It's the only way I see anyone who isn't Republican would see a "crisis". Of course immigration needs fixing, but come on...a continual drop in crossings since 2006? Well over a decade? Zero terrorists crossing the Southern border, our of 4000 caught a year? Drugs coming...through legal checkpoints, rather than where the wall would protect? (according to the DEA) https://www.npr.org/2019/01/08/683205814/fact-check-trumps-oval-office-pitch-for-a-border-wall Locking kids up in cages, on the other hand...

Well, because of your poor syntax, I am not sure of which you mean: that is was a loss for both sides, or that I felt dumber by watching. I can, in fact, provide both. Here is the collection of the ones where pundits were...shall we say mixed: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/facing-pressure-networks-fact-check-trump-speech/2019/01/08/9ee81efc-13c3-11e9-ab79-30cd4f7926f2_story.html?utm_term=.47281e3f703b Here in particular is one from Fox News: Regarding that it was a wash: Now, as to the parts that made my brain hurt. In particular, the line from the president: "this situation could be solved in a 45 minute meeting" Mostly because...it's true. The government shutdown could be finished in 45 minutes. The House just passed a bunch of spending bills to reopen the government. The Senate, back in 2018, passed those measures by unanimous vote. All that would be necessary to reopen the government would be for Trump to sign in, and then go about brokering a deal to get more border wall funding. Hell, I think there's a good chance that if this continues much longer, the House can get a 2/3rds majority for a veto override. And, again, unanimous Senate passage so we could solve it easily if Trump says "ok, I'll finish off the shutdown I chose to own" or Republican House leadership releases their people to vote their conscience, this would be over in a heartbeat.

Really? Because from all the reactions come this morning it's that it was a loss for both. It certainly has for my brainstem. I feel dumber after watching all of Trump's speeches. It would certainly explain you lot.

Sorry, I had to step away because your lunacy was too much to take. Look, Trump called all immigrants from Mexico rapists. You asked for specific evidence, I provided it in quote and video form. Now about this "If "some good" people are in a group, can that entire group be "all bad"? " bit? Well, it's rather simple: Trump has admitted to forcefully grabbing women's genetalia. His ex-wife has stated that he "Made Me Feel ‘Violated’ During Sex" He endorsed Roy Moore, the man banned from a shopping mall for his pedophilic tendencies. Trump nominated a man who has multiple accusations of sexual assault to the Supreme Court. Simply put, it seems that Donald Trump does not think that rape disqualifies people from being "good people" It explains a lot, doesn't it?

... Dude. I mean, I suppose that it makes sense that modern Republicans have a hard time parsing the context of five to seven sentences into a full thought. But this is just sad...

Right...I'm talking to the group where " I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the *****. You can do anything" is the preferred joke and not horribly rape-y.

Speaking of cherry picking, let's hit literally the sentences before "When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you." It is literally the people coming from Mexico that he is describing. Blanket statement. I don't know how you can be that willfully ignorant, but here we are.