Captain Caveman

Maybe he really is gone. Sniffle.

Exactly. Anytime someone tackles someone without the ball it's a holding penalty. He started the process of tackling the dude before the punt, so it's considered a pre-punt penalty. It sucks, but it's the right call.

Ok, I'll check back in next week.

The ref is allowed time to react. The hold happened clearly before the punt.

No, that was a kid, with a neck. Definitely not Spags.

All I'm saying is that D deserved it more. I like EJ. I think he showed promise. I also think that without his 2 turnovers we win that game easily and there is no need for the last minute comeback. I think he will get many game balls. Yesterday I think our defense bailed him out, although it's not as memorable as the 2 minute drive.

There will be others. He should earn his first game ball.

Gotcha, more stupidity should mean more guns.

Is there an update on this?

The whole reason he had to do that was because he handed Carolina 6 points on the previous two drives. If the D wasn't playing lights out it's 10 or 14 points and he doesn't have the chance.

Fun.

I'm pretty sure you're ok here, the rule is not to give any links to illegal feeds of the game. What you're proposing is the correct and legal approach to watching the game.

Watched the entire game with my 11 month old son. I'm hoping his first word will be a yelled "FUUMMMMBBBBLLLLLLEE!!!"

I just thought I'd lay out a welcome mat for everyone's favorite Jets fan, Jimmy Spags. Where have you been, dude?

That's what I'm waiting for. Edited - I'm going to start a thread so he will know where he's welcome.

It's strange how this seems to be split so evenly, with almost everyone extremely convinced that they are right. I saw it as a clear cut hold. With that being said, he was also initially held on the play, but Summers' hold was much more obvious to the officials, so I don't blame for the call they made. As for those who are complaining about the call in relation to the game circumstances, when I used to referee (hockey) we were trained that a penalty is a penalty and that situation / circumstances shouldn't make a difference. For everyone who is complaining about the number of calls against us vs. those against opponents - there is not some agenda by the NFL or officials' union. We are sloppy, and will continue to get penalized until we stop committing penalties.

This thread is bull ****. Fitzpatrick was no MVP, but he beat the Pats. I hope EJ proves himself to be a better QB, but he has not done it yet.

I would expect goal line formations to favor size, strength and hands.

I voted Mario, but honestly I would have given to the whole D line. MW, KW, Dareus and Branch all looked like they were playing with their hair on fire.

Yeah, that's a bummer.

I'm not saying Aliens, but...

Give it time, it will grow on you.

But so do I! Congrats metzelaars_lives on your HOF voting status. That's pretty cool. I didn't see your name on the list, but it's probably just not updated yet.

I actually think this year is one of his best shots, now that Carter has broken the three way tie. Why are you yelling at me? I said I think he deserves to be in. I just don't think it's likely to happen.