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Interesting the fan boards lean so strongly JT, and there's no question he can execute Meyer's offense and is extremely talented. I'm a Penn State fan but see plenty of OSU here in Cleveland, I think Meyer prefers a strong running quarterback like JT and option offense and so if he hands the ball back to JT it'll be interesting to see if it has any negative effect on their season.

I hear ya about all this, Yolo. But after Nick Saban had this to say about Jones: “The one thing that the new quarterback does is he has a tremendous arm,” Saban said. “And they have some very talented receivers. And the two things that were very apparent is those things became very apparent in the last two games because of the quarterback. “Now, they were a little different and the quarterback was a great runner when 16 (Barrett) was playing, and he was a good passer. But it wasn’t so obvious when you watched the film all season long that they had these great skill players that could really make plays down the field.” If I'm Meyer, do I really have a serious competition for Jones to reclaim his job? He took that offense to another level. As a buckeye fan, will you be satisfied if Meyer hands the ball back to JT? As far as competitive advantage by not revealing your starting quarterback, you are right but by announcing it in advance it's a statement that playing coy doesn't matter, we'll still kick your ass.

If the team knows, then someone will anonymously let the cat out of the bag. Not sure I agree that what Rex and Urban are doing is respectable if they let it linger longer. Make a decision and let the team invest in their new leader. WRT the buckeyes, what is going on down there in Cbus that Cardale Jones is not the starter? I understand last year and the injury to JT, etc but why is Meyer considering taking the ball out of Cardale's hands?

Hate to say it, but there's going to be a quarterback controversy the minute any regular season starter has an off game. Doesn't matter who starts against the Stillers and who starts the regular season. Only way to avoid it is if the annointed starter lights it up the first few games before running into trouble. Especially because there's no clear cut leader at this point and preseason pales in comparison to the pressure and complexity of the real games.

You're right on with this and wrt the OP, nothing in preseason is a true test. But if he can't perform well in this format it doesn't portend well for the regular season. Playcalling, stunting, blitzes, switches etc are extremely simplified in preseason and so QB's like Trent Edwards look like heroes until the regular scheming commences. I will say this, EJ under pressure and getting his throws out was a better test than most 2nd and 3rd stringers normally provide.

In being at the game last night I would simply say that IMO EJ's consistency was different last night. I missed the last drive and so am talking about all his previous work. He seemed to be seeing the field well, feeling the rush, and making good decisions (other than the sack). This time I would chalk it up to the failure/inconsistency of his teammates.

Good stuff from Bills website: http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2015/08/21/fan-friday-8-21-2/ Fan Friday: From Chris Brown- "I asked and Rex Ryan confirmed for me that they intend to keep three quarterbacks on their roster. I believe Ryan likes EJ as a quarterback and I think the organization feels there is still some ceiling to be reached by him as an NFL QB." http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2015/08/21/some-teammate-praise-for-manuel/ "Andre Davis who caught Manuel’s touchdown pass on fourth and goal was taken by Manuel’s cool persona during the most stressful part of the game. “He was real poised, man,” said Davis. “He’s just a real calm, cool, collected guy. He was very poised and he said we were going to make it happen at the beginning of the drive and he went down there and drove, and made it happen like he said he would.”

I don't know. I think they decided to pressure him by throwing him to the bottom of the pile and disrespecting him to see if he could rise to the top.

I was at the game last night with the kids so I left just before EJ's touchdown drive (figures!), but here's the rest of what I saw from the QB's: Tyrod seems pretty well in control of things, very fluid and played well. Other than his legs, not sure how big of a splash he can make as a QB but IMO he's earned his shot at it. Especially with Roman as OC. The dropoff in play of the backup O-line and D-line was scary last night. Anyone who cries about EJ throwing against 3rd stringers needs to realize the guy was under a ton of pressure every play. Our running game wasn't working either. He has noticeably improved with his accuracy and timing. Still doesn't lead receivers enough but the ball isn't 2-4 feet behind them either. He also was throwing balls before the receiver break which I hadn't seen from him before. EJ still isn't there yet with his confidence but he's getting closer. Needs to work hard on throwing on the run. That's where a lot of accuracy issues lie because his throwing motion can be inconsistent. He was seeing the field well, didn't miss open guys that I noticed. I think TT starts game 3 but give EJ a later series or two with the starters. After having so many meh quarterbacks I will freely admit to being biased against Cassel and would rather give these other two the playing time.

I actually like their new jersey except for the cheesy "Browns" on the pant stripe.

Because in such an unusual situation it's nice to confirm that it was a simple accident (hide and seek game between the kids) and not something more abusive coming from the parents. I was at a grocery store yesterday (Aldi) and when leaving saw a guy literally loading an entire rack of skim milk into his trunk. I assume he bought it but went back inside and confirmed that with an employee. The employee appreciated me doing that.

+1 Perfectly said and exactly how I feel. Glad to hear Rex is thinking this way too.

I'd agree if we had a more established offense and not an all new coaching staff. With the talent and goals this franchise has, can you really afford to give your fading project quarterback every last chance? Given the complex offense including needs at fullback and tight end and ground/pound approach can we afford to keep 3 QBs on the roster? I don't think so and barring an extreme tournaround or injuries, EJ will be cut IMO.

There's a lot of math in this situation that doesn't add up to a 3 man competition at this point. Typically the 3rd preseason game is where you give your starting offense/defense the most meaningful reps to prep for the opener. 4th game is for the backups. Rex has now made statements hinting that the decision will be made after the second preseason game and that's where you realistically need to do it so your annointed starter can really build that chemistry with the offense. You can't start 3 quarterbacks in 2 games. Most likely TT comes in second in Carolina game and I'm thinking he and Cassel switch off for the Cleveland game. Only way EJ becomes relevant is if he finds that consistency, lights it up in the Carolina game, and TT or Cassel really fail in that game. I really like EJ and want him to succeed but practice reps and the reality of the situation are pointing the other way pretty strongly to me.

I respect your opinion and you may be right about the overreach. I understand where you're coming from but respectfully would say they do have some idea about the previous games to go after it. Whether or not they can convince judge/jury is the thing.

How do you know? You seem to only care about the direct evidence from the championship game but circumstantial evidence can be just as important. If you establish the protocol (texting, etc.) that took place in that championship game then see similar protocols/discussions at earlier games during the season is it BS or not? Testimony from Jastremki and McNally. That's what judge and jury are all about. The thing that bugs me about the NFL side is they really shouldn't need Tommy's actual phone. They have text records from the recipients and he had to pay a phone bill for that number and that should be enough to prove what his role was. Maybe they tried to avoid that level of investigational diligence.

Sure, yea, right. Here's a guy who is really competent at what he does but the endgame of the franchise has been incompetent so Brandon must be responsible for everything and actually sucks at his job. Brilliant! Maybe we'll just cut Mario, Kyle, Hughes, and let Dareus walk if we don't make the playoffs because they're arguably the best D-line in the league so it's their fault.

http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2015/07/24/dareus-focused-on-football-not-extension-talks/ Didn't seem worth a new topic, just another piece of the Dareus contract puzzle. I take it as a positive, especially since the team website posted it.

Hey, they're gourmet! Actually I heard audio of the mom talking about the whole incident later and she was completely clueless and scatterbrained about it.

If you have your first kid it's pretty easy to go to a restaurant when they're a baby and time it during their sleep schedule. It's one thing to go on a date with the wife, another to go to a family dinner. Family dinners generally take place earlier in the evening, like 5 PM. Kids got to learn to behave in that situation sometime, BUT as per most replies parents keep them on a short leash and remove them if they don't behave. It's always the jackholes like that couple in Maine that ruin things for everyone else. Freaking annoying!

C'mon now, that's easy to say since everyone is on vacation! :-) Ever since Haslam took over the absurd has become routine with the Browns. Can't wait till training camp...

I agree with what you're saying, but the Pegulas are trying to run a first class organization. As per Incognito and Kromer, that includes giving people second chances. It should also mean that they turn over every stone with this current situation but if there's enough truth there Kromer will be gone and I'm ok with that. I view it less as simple PR and more about defining your corporate values.

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What about that team 2 hours to the south? I went to high school in Mansfield (late '80s) and it seemed like area loyalties (including those I knew in Cbus) were split between browns and bungholes. Not the same anymore? Being in Cleveland I'm mostly neutral but will root for the browns because they suffer much as we have. Plus my son is a big fan (daughter all Bills!). Nowadays I feel bad for them with Haslam as owner, they have no meaningful future.

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