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+1 Also are they patient enough to give the people they hire a fair chance to succeed and learn from mistakes?

No, The ozone hole's only been studied since '79 and while there was a steady decline to a baseline in the 80's, it's stayed fairly constant since then. We don't know if there's a 30 year cyclical nature to it or not. Plus, the hole is only there during the Southern Hemisphere spring and summer, around 4-5 months. Plus plus, some years with a large hole there is a much stronger ozone concentration at the edges then the years with smaller holes. Hopefully some scientist somewhere is studying the cause of these more pertinent issues. We might actually learn something instead of all this guilt by association.

The Pegulas have proven to me to be everything positive you could want in an owner. You can't just knee jerk your front office out when a season doesn't go as planned. Not the owner's fault if people below them can't carry their job out. Can anyone on here provide evidence they are not willing to devote whatever resources are necessary to produce a winner? What more can you ask of an owner? Want to see a "D" owner, check out Jimmy Haslam's decisions with the Browns.

Too bad the article only covers data through 2013. Amazing how quick they are to declare victory for a mild 3 year uptick. Reminds me when GW Bush declared victory in Iraq. Too bad 2015 has the fourth largest hole on record: http://theozonehole.com/2015.htm Whoops.

I agree that more time is needed with TT. Obviously the Pats game plan told to him was to get Robert Woods involved out of the gate. Through the middle part of this game I felt like TT was going through his progressions more and looking guys off. The Clay completion stands out in this regard, and I consider it a small step forward despite some accuracy issues. TT is playing safe, solid football. But his progressions and decision making are still too slow, hardly a surprise after 8 games. Plus the scouting book is out on defending him. But I challenge anyone on here to prove to me it's because it's because he is incapable versus needing more time to really settle in so he can quicken his decision making and excel at the position. He's all we got and I'm actually glad because only time will reveal what he can become so the impatient knee-jerkers are out of luck!

Surprised Miller has done so poorly, thanks for that info. My main contention is the notion that Cassel would have won us the jacksonville game. That is sheer folly and seemingly ignores the fact that at least EJ threw the ball downfield and brought them back into contention. It's pretty doubtful Cassel would have thrown much beyond checkdowns and would have probably committed his own style of turnovers. They both suck as quarterbacks, and if you take into account their different styles but weigh their total game relative to each other, how do you really figure Cassel pulls out the jags game? He just spent 4 games behind the best O-line in football and how did he do? EJ put the last nail in his starting QB coffin with the Jax game but I'd rather have him then Cassel. Meh.

FWIW Manuel threw some better passes in the second half but still took some bad sacks, was missing open receivers and had little feeling for the pocket. Just too many basic things he can't hold together when he plays. I like him too but sorry, exit stage left.

The one really positive thing Pettine had to say in the article was that Manziel is in the building he is very professional. I think the big factor is that Pettine doesn't feel he can count on him as a person yet. I thought Manziel showed better qb awareness (blitzes, pocket, etc) then Manuel did. That being said, he didn't seem to be going through his reads and was throwing very late to wide open receivers. I'm a big fan of letting young quarterbacks develop on the bench but have to agree in this case Manziel has good command of the offensive plays and it seems his O-line can protect him, so outline a plan to give him 2 more starts and make a decision then. I agree with others that the Browns need to see what they've got with the season lost.

Yea, you're right. It is a tough play to discern because of the speed and the angles and the first time I saw it I did think it was a hold. I just don't think Joekel stretched his arm out wide to corral Hughes, which I agree would be holding. He turned his body to Hughes and tried to ride him outside best he could, for me he kept that left arm in front of his body and bent, showing me he had some degree of control. You sure can, it's called moving your feet, taking a good angle, having good leverage and keeping your balance. And he didn't recover his position, he cut off Hughes' deep line to the quarterback, not by stopping Hughes but by cutting off his angle until Bortles scrambled forward.

Hughes was lined up well outside of the tight end (#89) who simply ignored Hughes and ran his pattern. Joekel slid over to block Hughes' path and did so with one hand to the center of Hughes' chest. Yes, Hughes had outside position but he never beat Joekel. How is that illegal? You cannot argue that he was hooking Hughes because Hughes never changed his path until he turned around. Joekel also had leverage and was well balanced further negating the need to hold. Hughes was the one off balance.

I don't agree that Joekel got beat. Yes, Hughes had outside position on him but the key is Joekel maintained leverage on Hughes and was moving his feet well. Also key is Hughes never tried to change his path (bull rushing) until he turned around after Bortles ran by. He was easily able to turn around but stumbled because he was off balance. Good play by Joekel. The Robey PI was bullcrap and called by the official who was screened by the receiver's body.

I would agree with you if he was a rookie or it was one or two dumb mistakes. Even in the second half EJ had time and held the ball too long and was indecisive so I can't pin it on the O line. It is good he kept going and played better in the second half but he is not a rookie and he really failed badly. So many different mistakes, I just can't excuse that or chalk it up to a character building game. I understand where you're coming from and can't say which matters more, we just look at it slightly differently.

You're partially right except they don't do it continually like EJ was doing. Myself, I don't consider it the least of his problems since he didn't correct it after the first pick. But with all EJ's faults it's hard to tag a "least". I have been willing to be patient with EJ but pretty much my patience ran out yesterday. He clearly does not have the mental ability to handle the speed of the NFL game. Looking off receivers, recognizing blitzes, feeling the pressure and moving away, not being able to throw a pass away on a critical down, staring receivers, the odd horrible throw. I know I've missed some and at times he does better at all these things but really he can't seem to put them all together correctly with any consistency. His mental process/plan/decision making is not there. I am glad they got rid of Cassel. The Pittsburgh preseason game spoke volumes about all 3 QB's IMO. Manuel may have failed us but I'm glad we took that chance over Meh. I do think TT has a mild sprain, maybe the MCL as has been reported. I think Rex is trying to get him some rest through the bye week in hopes he'll be more effective when heeled up. Certainly wasn't expecting a loss in London though!

No, her lips are naturally that red!

Agree with you about all this, especially because my view is from the tv also. My biggest worry, beyond the overthinking, is that they aren't doing enough in-game adjustments. You've got penalties and confusion to begin with, do these coaches blame the woes on these and limit their in-game adjustments?

I agree but you have two pretty good cover guys in Gilmore and Darby. At LEAST change it up once in a while to keep the QB guessing and maybe lengthen that 2 second release!

I didn't see yesterday's game but saw the New England one. The thing that bugs me about this excuse is our cover guys are playing soft coverage at the line. They were like 10-15 yds off!

Haha! I would argue that this is the only p​ractical use it's had post-Chelsea. Um, she is currently the top democratic candidate and no one wants to scorn a bunch of women.

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I understand where you're coming from, and yes no one on this board has shown any evidence of consensus about this. But to me, every front office, coach, player and fan know success is tethered to your quarterback situation. I find it inconceivable that Ryan and Roman would lie down and allow Whaley to go rogue with Cassel if they truly felt he was a critical #2 given Tyrod's lack of real game experience. The other thing few give enough credit for is EJ's development. If he has turned the corner and taken a big step from training camp to the preseason, is it really impossible given his work ethic that he has continued to master the offense during the regular season? And even though Cassel was brought back a second time, EJ has continued to progress to the point Roman/Rex realized that Cassel's experienced knowledge wasn't much of a factor anymore and his participation (snaps) was only holding EJ back?

I agree also, I think Tyrod's play has suffered since he first injured it and now it's getting worse. I think he's emergency backup this week and the rest is a smokescreen. Sammy's quotes today agree.

Great article by just a class act and a warrior. Miss ya Fred! I understand the front office letting him go, I think with Karlos and Shady they felt Fred's role would be so diminished he wouldn't be happy. I also think they wanted a younger guy in that 3rd role. However, I would rather they been open to Fred about staying at a reduced role and renegotiating his contract. He deserved to have that choice.

I'm not, yet. http://www.athleticbusiness.com/athlete-safety/concussion-protocol-keeps-nfl-players-sidelined.html "Ellenbogen said more than half the players who have suffered concussions this season have not been cleared to return by the following week, and he estimated the typical time for a return is nine to 10 days. When reported concussions in the NFL dropped 36% last season, the average time to return was eight days, according to the league's figures. In 2012 and 2013, the average return was six days." I still think NFL should expand the rosters by 2-3 players because of the new emphasis on concussion protocols.

Yea, ya know sometimes I think Jerry has an alter ego in there! :-)

Player should get pulled out for a series at least. Your approach is too much as we would lose Larry Hughes for the rest of the year and still would like to reach the playoffs. :-) I would like to see the veterans institute a kangaroo court with fines (progressing for repeated infractions). And Rex lay down the law about it.