John Cocktosten

Or you could've just watched him implode in the biggest game of his career. But I'm sure he'll fare better against NFL defenses.

Zany? It's been 30 years since the Bills guessed right on a QB. I hope I'm dead wrong but EJ couldn't will FSU to a win over NCST so I'm supposed to think he's supposed be better in the NFL? I doubt it. Buffalo Bills....rebuilding since 1997!

The quicker OBD realizes that he's a bust the quicker they can start rebuilding.

You don't have to tank anything, just start EJ from day one. That way the Bills are guaranteed the first pick overall (JC) and they quickly realize how bad EJ will be.

+1 This thread is hilarious.

No it did not rank them based on recruiting rankings. BOTH Athlon and ESPN rank them according to who they think are the best. That's two sources saying that they are 6 and 7 IN THE COUNTRY. But they're wrong I know. I And quit saying that recruiting rankings don't mean squat because Bama, the team that's won 3 out of the last 4, has had the top class 4 or 5 years in a row. So exactly how do rankings mean squat? Who are the best teams in CFB? LSU, UF, OSU, UGA and they are always in the top of the recruiting rankings. Does that mean that every 4/5 * turns out of course it doesn't. I'll re-post this for those who say recruiting doesn't mean anything. Recruiting is everything in CFB. http://www.cbssports...otball/21641769 On the final count, the higher-ranked team according to the recruiting rankings won almost exactly two-thirds of the time (66.4 percent of the time, to be exact), and every "class" as a whole had a winning record against every class ranked below it every single year. (The only exception, if it even qualifies, came last year, when "two-star" teams finished one game below .500 in head-to-head collisions with "one-star" teams. Elsewhere, the hierarchy held across every line.) The gap on the field also widened with the gap in the recruiting scores: At the extremes, "one-star" recruiting teams managed a grand total of six wins over "four-star" and "five-star" recruiters in 59 tries. Where a small handful of teams defied their rankings, none managed to do so as part of a larger group. The whole point of me posting any of this is that I keep hearing everyone say EJ didn't have talent around him. That's total crap and the two articles that I posted proved it no matter what you want to believe. Btw, he has a very good backfield that rushed for almost 3K this year. But that doesn't matter either. So even though FSU has had a top 10 class 5 years running in the state where the best players come from EJ was surrounded by crap? Only on this board do posters lack an ounce of objectivity. Hilarious!

You guys can keep ignoring the facts I'm sure that the sheep will say that ESPN sucks (CFB is the one thing they get right) It's hilarious to listen to the sheep mentality in this board. Trying to justify the reasons why EJ was average in college. There's always excuses with every Bills reach. Hope it makes you feel better. an't wait to bump this thread. Ranking nation's top 10 receiving corps July, 31, 2012 Jeff Lewis/Icon SMIThere isn't a better receiver duo in the country than USC's Robert Woods, left, and Marqise Lee, right. 7. Florida State Seminoles Key receivers: Rashad Greene, Willie Haulstead There's a lot of speed here, without question, but a lot of unrealized potential. Greene, Haulstead and Kenny Shaw, among others, have demonstrated a lot of ability. Injuries and inconsistency, however, have limited overall production. Haulstead is a great example. The junior was forced to take a medical redshirt a year ago due to lingering effects from a concussion, and yet he is FSU's only representative on the preseason Biletnikoff watch list. At 6-3 and 233 pounds, he's a tough matchup for ACC corners -- or any league's corners, for that matter. As a freshman, Greene led the team with 596 yards and seven touchdowns. He might turn out to be the Noles' top award candidate, depending on how he continues to mesh with QBEJ Manuel. Even without a proven star, FSU shines with its depth. Senior Rodney Smith and sophomoreChristian Green, the second- and third-leading receivers a year ago, combined for 1,011

Recruiting rankings mean very little? Guess who's had the # 1 or 2 class nationally the 5 years. Bama. Here some analysis. Man are you wrong. Don't worry though, you have company on this thread. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/21641769 I do think there is a HUGE difference between Florida 3 stars and every other states 3 stars for sure. But come on, LSU, UF, OU, FSU and so many more are at the top of recruiting rankings and polls. It's undeniable. Did you expect Jimbo to throw EJ under the bus? Actually Jimbo threw the whole team under the bus after that game.

Well your school did cancel it's football program which is pretty sad. That's a tough one to overcome. UB is not terrible academically but BU is the real deal so you win there. Your pimping of Dan LeFevour is much worse. Almost as bad as your self accountability. I tried sending you your beer BTW. I never got a reply. PM me. Btw, do you really want to drink all that beer? I imagine you're pretty chubby and it's bathing suit season.

Really? I rounded up 5 yards and that's your brilliant point? Well you got me! I guess You gotta cling to something because it's clear that you and most in this thread watch college football on you tube after the draft is over. I can't wait to revisit this thread.

So is that bad for a team that rushed for almost 3000 yds? This isn't a spread team. Not that you know that. See Andrew Luck. Well you're completely wrong. But I'm sure you'll come back with something brilliant. NAME REC YDS AVG LONG TD Rashad Greene 57 741 13.0 71 (TD) 6 Kenny Shaw 33 532 16.1 77 (TD) 3 Rodney Smith 38 524 13.8 61 (TD) 3 Kelvin Benjamin 30 495 16.5 64 4

FSU had 4 Wrs go for over 500 yds in a non passing offense. How is that bad? It shows that FSU has a ton of depth. I'm sure none of it had to do with Lord EJ. Good god this is hilarious. Rashard Greene maybe a 2 or 3? I'm done. You really don't know what you're talking about.

Maybe because they're young? The Wrs were Sophs and Jrs. CB, it really shows how little you know about CFB but I'd expect that from a D3 player.

Miami was 120, BC was in the 100's and so was Duke. See how that works. Isn't it weird that there are so many Big East teams had top 20 defenses yet when they play out of conference they get slaughtered. You don't understand context in CFB. It's a different animal and it's not apples to apples like NFL is. Maryland at 21 is a perfect example. The 3 best offenses they faced put up 40 + on them the last 3 games of the season. But they finished ranked 21! I used Athlon because you and others said FSU doesn't have talent offensively. They were ranked that high because they have a ton of talent. Simple as that.

No, I said that he had 4 WRs that could start for ALMOST any team in the country. Not sure what you're reading. Maybe jumped the gun on that one. Read the link too. Make sure you pay attention to the college articles about the best WR corps this year. I bet FSU is in the top 3 but they have no talent. I really don't think you understand how much talent they have and get year after year. They have been in the top 5 3 years that EJs been there. Seriously, you're out of your element Donny.

Ill informed? Not sure if serious. Read the link ranking the top WR Corps going into last year. But I'm sure Athlon is a terrible source. Might want to watch the language, I'm sure beerball is watching.

Athlon is a pretty good college source. Here is a list of the top WR corps going into 2012: 6. Florida State – If the Seminoles can find the right mix on the offensive line, quarterback EJ Manuel is going to have a huge season. Rashad Greene was one of the ACC’s top receivers last season, even after missing four games due to injury. Look for the sophomore lead the team in receptions, yards and touchdowns in 2012. Senior Rodney Smith caught 36 passes last year and is back as a solid No. 2 threat. The Seminoles are loaded with options outside of Greene and Smith, including sophomore Christian Green and juniors Willie Haulstead and Kenny Shaw. Redshirt freshman Kelvin Benjamin has the talent to become a major factor in the receiving corps in 2012. http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-top-20-wide-receiving-corps-2012 Huh? That's 6 out of how many?

I said that. He also didn't lose another game to any other SEC team the last 3 years he played. 21-3 in the SEC his last 3 years. Not bad, but not EJ....or LeFevour. Btw, Florida was pretty great.

If you really think Baylor is playing with more talent than FSU then I think we can end this now. Gordon didn't play with RG3 during his Heisman campaign and neither did Watkins. The ACC's 1-8 record vs the Big12 the last 3 years. The Big 12 offensively and defensively is a way better conference and it's been proven on the field. I said EJ was good but that's it. He basically a 4 year starter who never took the next step and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. Sorry if you don't like it but I'm very convicted.

I could see you drinking that swill. Want me to send the lemons too? You were in love with DL. Plus if I started looking through your history, I could write a book on how wrong you've been about.....well everything regarding the Bills. How many wins last year? Man, it's hilarious how people keep saying that FSU doesn't have offensive talent. Rashard Greene is unreal. He had 4 WRs who could start for almost any team in the country last year. Chris Thompson goes down and they just have 2 other RBs fill right in and average 6 YPC and over 600 yds. The crazy thin g is Pender, who's probably their best back, was hurt all last year. But they don't have offensive talent. I tried contacting you about the beer and never heard back. I should send you a 6 pack for your complete lack of ownership over your LeFevour crush.

Pound my chest? Exaggerate much? I was actually making a point saying that it's okay to call another first rounder a bust, just as long as he doesn't play for the Bills. But I would expect that to go over your head. I have no problem owning up to Clausen. I still can't believe it. If ND didn't have him they might have won 2-3 games that year. I've even offered to pay my bet on this board so I'm more than accountable too. I thought it was funny that the same guy who was in love with LeFevour would bring that up. But you'll never here that from him.

Stat boy ...harsh...sorry bro. RG3 tooks advantage of his talent by putting unreal numbers game after game. What did EJ do? Believe me Rashard Greene, Kelvin Bejamin and Kenny Shaw will all be drafted high as WRs for FSU not to mention the ridiculous stable of backs. RG3 was unreal. EJ was good. The talent of the overall offenses severely favors FSU and it's not even close including O LIne. And I would agree with you that the Big12 defenses are bad but the ACC is worse. The ACC is 1-8 against the Big 12 the last 3 years. The comp isn't close regardless of defenses. But tell me again how Va Tech's vaunted defense was good when DUke hung 40+ points on them. Sorry again for the stat boy, i get harsh sometimes. Do you really want to revisit the last 4 years on this board?

Good lord really? Do we want to go back to that same draft and look at who you fell in love with? You wanted Dan Lefevour in the second. At least Clausen is still on a team. Actually why don't we go back over every one of your posts and count the millions of ways you were wrong. You've been saying 10 wins per season for the last 5 years...those who live in glass houses. Ballsy to be so ignorant.

I do believe EJ was limited by Jimbo but to what point? Jimbo wasn't sabotaging EJ was he? Maybe he was managing his weaknesses. Either way, JF isn't going to come out and say anything bad about EJ, his play calling said enough. As far as my presentation of my opinion, does it really matter? If I said, "guys, please temper the EJ enthusiasm because I have my concerns." I would still get attacked with nonsensical stats about Va Tech's defense and how I just want to be right. I guess I'm just matching the complete jubilation over the pick but with informed opposition. Maybe we're all a little absurd but my opinions didn't come from You Tube or only prognosticators who liked him.

I agree and am hopeful about Dareus. From all accounts, Chan didn't make things any better too. So are you making the point that GMs should be judged on first round picks or that Buddy has been so spot on with first rounders that EJ is a lock to be good? It's a bit hypocritical to get mad at my opinions on EJ when there was a hundred threads during the past several drafts proclaiming other team's picks to be busts. I'm just adding a little balance to this board, among other things.