San Jose Bills Fan

Personally I'd prefer if the guys name was Sheetrock.

Well I take exception to that comment… what exactly is your definition of a franchise long snapper? Would you concede that Sanborn is at least top 10? Doesn't that make him a franchise snapper?

Based on the people you hang out with, I don't know whether I can give much credence to your opinions.

BB has final say on all personnel matters? No one's arguing that. But when he had Pioli and Dimitroff, he at least had guys who would stand up to him and argue with him, even if they were overruled… according to Holley's book. So BB was responsible for: Laurence Maroney 2006 1st rounder: Out of Football Chad Jackson 2006 2nd rounder: Omaha Nighthawks Brandon Merriweather 2007 1st rounder: Washington Redskins Terrence Wheatley 2008 2nd rounder: Tennessee Titans Shawn Crable 2008 3rd rounder: Hamilton Tiger Cats Darius Butler 2009 2nd rounder: Carolina Panthers Brandon Tate 2009 3rd rounder: Cincinnati Bengals All of these guys are complete busts (not one single established starter in the group, let alone Pro Bowlers) and 2009 2nd rounder Ron Brace and 2010 2nd rounder Jermaine Cunningham have been huge disappointments and could very well join the group. Yeah all GMs have sizable misses but if it was anyone but Belichick calling the shots in New England, he would have been fired by now. That's fine John but we are having a football discussion on the quality of the Cheatriots*** drafts. The fact that we've regrettably only beat them once in recent memory does not supersede having this discussion.

He was in it but there was some guy with dreadlocks actually driving it.

What was he wearing?

I give Belichick a lot of credit for a lot of things including hiring Pioli and Dimitroff in the first place. Since those two departed, the drafts have not been nearly as good. IMO, take away Brady and Wilfork and the Cheatriots*** are just another team. In "The War Room" written by Belichick devotee Michael Holley, the author even writes how Belichick overruled Pioli and Dimitroff on Laurence Maroney and Chad Jackson, two high round busts. I think it's pretty self-evident that the Cheatriots*** have not drafted well since Pioli/Dimitroff left and that it's reached the point that their drafts not be given the benefit of the doubt. So yes, I disagree completely with your broad, general, and unsupported suggestions that it's been Belichick making the picks all throughout his tenure and that the recent drafts are as good as the early ones. I disagree with both of your points.

Why I heard that Graham was timed by the Bills at 4.18! (grinning mischievously)

I don't hang out with idiots anymore… mostly I just hang out… with myself…

Do I follow the Pats? I follow them incidentally because actually I'm a Bills fan. How about you? If the 2011 draft is too early to judge, what is this nonsense about Vereen and Ridley? Why are they trying to trade Mallett? And just how well they drafted is certainly open to debate, thus our discussion here. I'm not impressed with their draft this year and I haven't been too impressed with their draftees other than Gronkowski (who they took a chance on due to teams being concerned about his back) and Hernandez. The team which beat one other team with a winning record? The team from which was a dropped TD pass and a short missed field goal from losing the AFC Championship at home? You Cheatriots*** fans fail to acknowledge that your team is in a period of decline which was masked by a serendipitous season last year.

I just did. All those names I mentioned? "Since the departure of much of their braintrust, high draft picks like Shawn Crable, Terrence Wheatley, Brandon Merriweather, Brandon Tate and Darius Butler aren't even on the team anymore. All of these guys were either 2nd or 3rd rounders and none of them have succeeded elsewhere. Several more of their higher draft picks are still with the team but disappointing like Ron Brace and Jermaine Cunningham." Look at the track record pre and post Pioli-Dimitroff. There are actually books on this subject. And again, your "evidence" is outdated. All these guys I mention above are from 2008 or later. Some of them were thrown on the trash heap after one season. Darius Butler was taken one pick before the Bills drafted Jairus Byrd.

Yeah the real experts (NFL guys) are apparently divided so we'll wait and see.

Actually it's the same topic but if you care not to pursue it, that's fine. The only track record which is relevant at this point is the post Pioli/Dimitroff track record. Drafting Vince Wilfork in 2004 is not relevant to the discussion we were having. And looking deeply, the Patriots have had several recent epic draft busts. Since the departure of much of their braintrust, high draft picks like Shawn Crable, Terrence Wheatley, Brandon Merriweather, Brandon Tate and Darius Butler aren't even on the team anymore. All of these guys were either 2nd or 3rd rounders and none of them have succeeded elsewhere. Several more of their higher draft picks are still with the team but disappointing like Ron Brace and Jermaine Cunningham. Belichick's drafts have been spotty at best.

Well I paid special attention to the OTs this year and it's nice to know that I was seeing the same things that Nix was seeing. I'd pat myself on the back harder but I'm laying on my sofa. Thanks for posting the link!

Just messin' JC. Love the Mr Trololo btw. I like watching that when I need a laugh.

And clearly that was the last straw as far as Brandon having a voice in the war room. Notice the Bills have no interest in Levy Adcock? Russ has been pretty marginalized by this regime.

I think all the hair products are contaminating his brain through the scalp.

Personally I only use that word when I'm talking about Indy LB Pat Angerer. On a related subject, I am relieved for Captain Hindsight's sake that it wasn't the Bills who drafted him. Just the thought of that possibility really sent his blood pressure soaring.

Speaking of which, I think John Cocktastic might have an aneurysm pretty soon if we keep this up…

Russ Brandon: How do you pronounce your name… we're gonna pick you in the second round. Andy Levitre: It's Levee-tree, Mr Brandon. Russ: Levee-tree, not Levee-tra? Andy: Yes, Levee-tree. Russ: You realize we just drafted Eric Wood? Would you consider changing the pronunciation of your name? We kinda wanna do this rooster-Blockers promotion. All we need is your consent and we can kick off the marketing campaign tomorrow. This is the centerpiece for our marketing department which is, as everyone knows, the "engine" of any NFL team. Andy: No sir, my name's Levee-tree. Russ (looking disappointed): Gotcha. Levee-tree.

You don't have to get all Angry!

Here's something no one has mentioned yet. The NFL has expanded training camp rosters from 80 to 90. If the Bills are to meet that roster limit, they and other teams will have to sign well over 20 players. I think in years past, most teams signed about 15 UDFAs.

Hey, he could also be called Aaron "Army Air" Corp which was the forerunner to the US Air Force. It would be a nice nickname for Brady 2.0

Where'd he say that, Kelly? Because I felt the same way about Reiff. His video is very unimpressive and he played on a team which ran the ball a lot, used tons of play-action, didn't use 7-step drops, and used a lot of max protections. On the subject of James Brown, I saw where he didn't get drafted. All that resume stuff is great but you have to watch the video and then know what you're seeing. Also, Brown may have have been doomed by his level of competition.

Powell reputedly has a very strong leg while Moorman has been on the decline. I think it might happen this year.