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You're on a roll… let's not pretend that Rob Johnson played well. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200001080oti.htm

Thought to be a 3rd rounder by casual fans.

Really? We have pass rushers now and a running back with a very bright future, not to mention the heir apparent to Freddy. Chixley knew they were rebuilding the team and thus were trying to choose who they thought was the best player. Did you watch Spiller play last year?

Yeah but he's a journeyman… actually a traveling man. Wow.

Yes there was that too! Priceless.

Too early to tell but probably we'll get the better of the Evans trade while Seattle gets the better of the Lynch trade. That said, Marshawn had to go so the Bills were disadvantaged. Seattle on the other hand has to hope that Marshawn stays out of trouble.

Yeah, except that: And the fact that 7 teams had him in their top 15 players. I said he would be taken in the first round and was "corrected" on this opinion several times (I won't name names though I could). The only people surprised by the pick were the people who don't work for NFL scouting departments. Irvin's video spoke volumes. and he made more pre-draft visits than just about any other player. There were a bunch of teams hoping to get him on the sly. Pete Carroll (who I've disparaged often) got Irvin and he also took Russell Wilson. I have to say I was wrong about Carroll… he did a great job in Seattle last year and it will be lots of fun to watch Seattle and San Francisco (Carroll vs Harbaugh) battling it out for NFC West supremacy for many years to come.

Scene: Meeting at One Bills Drive between Buddy, Jim Overdorf and Jeff Littman. (Russ Brandon is outside the room with his ear pressed up against the door) Jim Overdorf: Hey Buddy, what's this rumor about us trying to sign Mario Williams? Buddy: Ya gotta make hay while the sun's shining I always say… Littman: So it is true. Are you outta your mind? Do you know how much the Bears had to pay to get Julius Peppers? Buddy: Them horses that win that there Breeder's Cup? They weren't bought at the 4H auction you know… Overdorf: Have you spoken to Ralph about this? (Brandon correcting Overdorf in his mind silently mouths the words to himself "Mr. Wilson") Buddy: That hound don't hunt no more… let him lie… ain't no cause to be gettin' 'im all squirrely. Littman: Ralph's gonna be pretty angry… (Brandon correcting Littman in his mind silently mouths the words to himself "Mr. Wilson") Buddy: Sonny, the only thing Ralphie gets angry about these days is if his cream of wheat ain't hot or his prune juice ain't cold. Say, what's your name again? (Brandon correcting Nix in his mind silently mouths the words to himself "Mr. Wilson," then the words "Jeffrey Littman") Overdorf: He's the treasurer but I'm the guy who negotiates contracts… what kind of contract do you think it'll take? Buddy: Bigger than the one you had me give Kelsay… and what is it with this Kelsay kid, does he have pictures or something? Overdorf: (cutting off Nix) Never mind that. Okay I think we can bring this to Ralph and maybe get him to sign it with the other checks. (Brandon correcting Overdorf in his mind silently mouths the words to himself "Mr. Wilson") Buddy: (chuckling to himself and wearing a big grin) Here's a thought, why don't you tell Ralph that there's a new sheriff in town and his name ain't Russ Brandel… ((Brandon correcting Nix in his mind silently mouths the words to himself "Mr. Wilson," then the word "Brandon") Littman: You mean tell him the truth? (Overdorf cringes at the word, Brandel pees a bit in his underwear) Buddy: Sonny you tell him what you need to tell him. This meeting is getting tiresome. I think I'm gonna go take me a nap. Yall have a good day now. Close the door when you leave will ya?

I could have but I usually prefer to read Jboyst's speed-typed transcripts in situations like this. I thought we all agreed it was the leprechaun that the team took captive. Well, eball just called him a MF'er… Maybe the only good thing Marv did as GM. But I can't give him too much credit because the signing was probably nepotism more than anything else. Both Marv and Freddy are former Coe running backs and Marv is the guy who drafted CJ Ah You whose father he had coached years earlier. In other words I doubt Marv saw a diamond-in-the-rough so much as he was tickled to sign another Coe guy who plays the same position he did.

I'm guessing not too many of you actually watched all 4+ minutes of that. In case anyone is still wondering, it is a mockery of Rob Johnson. There's some epic "crunch photos" of him at 1:38, 2:08, and 3:18. There's also a few shots of him and Flutie and there's a shot of Rob with his trademark bandana. However because it is all still photos, it's hard to say whether any of the photos of him scrambling resulted in a rushing attempt/loss on the play because he refused to throw the ball away even though he was out of the tackle box.

Brandon? I hope he's doing no more than organizing the annual Thanksgiving canned food drive that the Bills WAGs host.

I hope they don't overwork Freddy again this year. I'd like to see a nice mix of Freddy and CJ so they keep both players fresh for the PLAYOFFS!!!

What do you know about Lurkers? This is true. He signed a big free agent contract with Jacksonville and was cut the following year so this is the second time he's been cut one year after signing a nice contract.

Agreed. Remember his tribute to Sean Taylor after which Joe Gibbs admitted he didn't even know the defense was gonna do that? Remember after Gibbs stepped down, Greg(g) threw his hat in the ring and was interviewed 4 times by Snyder? Then after all that, Snyder ended up hiring Jim Zorn. I generally don't like enjoying other people's misfortunes but I have to admit that I found that hilarious. There's just something about Greg(g) that I never liked.

I loved Earl Edwards too… big rangy pass rushing defensive end. He wasn't with the team for very long so I took Sherman White and Ben Williams ahead of him. We'd all do well to count our blessings… every day. Thanks for posting. So many of the guys from that team are now dead. And I think OJ would have been very prominent in this thread had he not done what he did. As a youngster, he was THE man. Only viewed through the lens of adulthood is he now no longer one of my all-time favorite Bills. Those Saban/OJ teams and the Chuck Knox teams were the teams of my youth. I remember a news story about that mascot… two brothers who made it themselves and convinced the Bills to allow them to roam the sidelines during games. These days the insurance company would probably have something to say about that. I think Dennis Shaw essentially had one good game, a 34-31 comeback victory over the Jets in which he outdueled Joe Namath. I also remember the next season Shaw showed up dumpy and overweight.

Winfield is a guy a really liked too. Pound for pound one of the best football players to ever don the blue, white, and red.

BTW, I met Vince Ferragamo and he seemed like a really great guy but he threw a soft ball and that just didn't fly in Rich Stadium. This topic is very generational. Clearly there's a lot of posters here who have a great appreciation for those Chuck Knox teams. Knox was an excellent Head Coach and de facto GM because in those days the Head Coach typically made all the personnel decisions including the draft and free agency and on some teams even negotiated contracts up until around that time. I started following the Bills in 1969 after their AFL glory days. There's a bit of nostalgia involved in my picks too because players are more special when you're a boy than when you're a man. The 1980 team was a star-studded team and except for a few of the Saban/OJ years, was the first winning Bills team that I could really appreciate. I chose players who hadn't been mentioned too much and I pretty much eliminated the Super Bowl teams because a) it's too easy b) in spite of their excellence, those guys were not really a likable group and c) I was grown up by then. I also tried to pick players who spent appreciable time in Buffalo so that eliminates two of my faves, Doug Flutie and Chris Spielman. So my picks are (already breaking one of my rules because he's been mentioned several times) CB/Safety Tony Greene, and two underrated DEs who played most of their careers pre-1982 (significant because sacks were not a statistic), Big Ben Williams and Sherman White. White was ironically the 2nd pick overall by Cinci after the Bills drafted Walt Patulski. White was an exceptional player and played more years in Buffalo than did Patulski. Williams and White manned the defensive end spots for the Bills for 8 consecutive seasons. They were good players who played on some good teams and some bad teams. By playing in Buffalo during a mediocre era, their careers have gone largely unappreciated. Of course I loved Fergy and Chandler and Jerry Butler but they're getting lots of play already so I'll go with two wideouts from the OJ era who were awesome players but played on bad, run-oriented teams. You knew they were great players and they both proved that after they left Buffalo. Marlin Briscoe (who along with former Bills QB James Harris is one of the NFL's more historically significant players) and Haven Moses. Both players ended up going to Pro Bowls and appearing in Super Bowls after they left the Bills. Luckily they were succeeded by the likes of JD Hill, Bobby Chandler, and Ahmad Rashad and later on Frank Lewis and Jerry Butler. The Bills have typically had excellent receiving groups, except for a few eras including the present.

BTW, I met Vince Ferragamo and he seemed like a really great guy but he threw a soft ball and that just didn't fly in Rich Stadium. This topic is very generational. Clearly there's a lot of posters here who have a great appreciation for those Chuck Knox teams. He was an excellent Head Coach and de facto GM because in those days, the Head Coach typically made all the personnel decisions including the draft and free agency and head coaches even used to negotiate contracts up until around that time. The 1980 team was a star studded team and except for a few of the Saban/OJ years, was the first winning Bills team that I could really appreciate. I started following the team in 1969 after their AFL glory days. There's a bit of nostalgia involved in my picks too because players are more special when you're young than when you're grown-up. I chose players who hadn't been mentioned too much and I pretty much eliminated the Super Bowl teams because a) it's too easy b) in spite of their excellence, those guys were not really a likable group and c) I was grown up. I also tried to pick players who spent appreciable time in Buffalo so that eliminates two of my faves, Doug Flutie and Chris Spielman. So my picks are (already breaking one of my rules because he's been mentioned several times) Tony Greene, and two underrated DEs who played most of their careers pre-1982 (significant because sacks were not a statistic), Big Ben Williams and Sherman White who ironically was the 2nd pick overall by Cinci after the Bills drafted Walt Patulski. White was an exceptional player and played more years in Buffalo than did Patulski. Williams and White manned the defensive end spots for the Bills for 8 consecutive seasons. They were good players who played on some good teams and some bad teams. Of course I loved Fergy and Chandler and Jerry Butler but they're getting lots of play already so I'll go with two wideouts from the OJ era who were awesome players but played on bad, run-oriented teams. You knew they were great players and they both proved that after they left Buffalo. Marlin Briscoe (who along with former Bills QB James Harris is one of the NFL's more historically significant players) and Haven Moses.

<br>BTW, I met Vince Ferragamo and he seemed like a really great guy but he threw a soft ball and that just didn't fly in Rich Stadium.<br><br>This topic is very generational. Clearly there's a lot of posters here who have a great appreciation for those Chuck Knox teams. Knox was an excellent Head Coach and de facto GM because in those days the Head Coach typically made all the personnel decisions including the draft and free agency and even used to negotiate contracts up until around the mid to late seventies.<br><br>I was first old enough to start following the Bills in 1969 after their AFL glory days. There's a bit of nostalgia involved in my picks because players are more special when you're a boy than when you're a man.The 1980 Bills was a star-studded team and except for a few of the Saban/OJ years, was the first winning Bills team that I could really appreciate.<br><br>I tried to choose players who hadn't been mentioned too much and I pretty much eliminated the Super Bowl teams because a) it's too easy (so many great players), b) in spite of their excellence, those guys were not really a likable group and c) I was grown up by that time. I also tried to pick players who spent appreciable time in Buffalo so that eliminates two of my faves, Doug Flutie and Chris Spielman.<br><br>So my picks are (already breaking one of my rules because he's been mentioned several times) the cornerback/safety <b>Tony Greene</b>, and two underrated DEs who played most of their careers pre-1982 (significant because sacks were not a statistic), <b>Big Ben Williams</b> and <b>Sherman White.</b> White ironically was the 2nd pick overall by Cinci after the Bills drafted Walt Patulski. White was an exceptional player and played more years in Buffalo than did Patulski. Williams and White manned the defensive end spots for the Bills for 8 consecutive seasons. They were excellent players who played on some good teams and some bad teams. Because they played in Buffalo during a largely mediocre era, their careers have gone underappreciated.<br><br>Of course I loved Fergy and Chandler and Jerry Butler but they're getting lots of play already so to finish out my team I'll go with two wideouts from the OJ era who were awesome players but played on bad, run-oriented teams. You knew they were great players and they both proved that after they left Buffalo. <b>Marlin Briscoe</b> (who along with former Bills QB James Harris is one of the NFL's more historically significant players) and <b>Haven Moses</b>.<br> <div><br></div><div>Both Briscoe and Moses made Pro Bowls and Super Bowls after leaving Buffalo. I remember being heartbroken when they left but to the Bills good fortune (we've almost always had superior receiver groups until the present), they were succeeded by the likes of Bobby Chandler, JD Hill, Ahmad Rashad and then later, Frank Lewis and Jerry Butler.</div>

LOL. Don't you think the timing was more coincidence than cause?

That's an interesting take.

In the old CBA I believe that any veteran making the lowest veteran minimum (there's more than one veteran minimum because it's based on years of service) of $810,000 would only count something like $410,000 against the cap. In addition there used to be some clause to the effect that only the 53 highest-paid players on the team counted against the cap. I don't know how much the new CBA has changed but there used to be a bunch of arcane rules in the old one.

After all those naps and he still tired?

Yep. That was exactly my point.

Also last week they were informed what their rookie allotment is so the price certainty for their payroll has increased marginally between the allotment and knowing how many draft picks they have to sign (9 instead of 10).