San Jose Bills Fan

Only if they're willing to give it 110%!

Running back durability? Common sense alone would tell you it's some combination of age, odometer reading, and individual.

Best mock? This one:

The fact that Moss has lost a step dovetails very nicely with Fitz' inability to drive the ball downfield.

Well I certainly hope this implies that they're the first to arrive at the building and the last to leave and that they put their pants on one leg at a time.

Yeah, there's absolutely no explanation that could excuse numbers that bad. Turner's stated that he wants to play this year but that's not the question.

On account of that silly Superman outfit you wear, I can never tell when you're being serious.

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I don't care who we take at #8 as long as it's not Warmack.

Ouch. It seems like if he had any value, that's where it would lie. Probably obvious run situations but still...

I wonder how effective Turner was in short -yardage and to-go situations last year.

Interesting post, EA. While the stats back you up last season on the Manning vs Brady, I don't know how accurately they tell the story. They possibly could be misleading as both players still looked great. Also, Manning to my eye slipped a bit more than Brady in that it was obvious to me that Manning was not throwing with the same velocity as of previous years. I also saw numerous times where Manning lost grip on the ball and it came out of his hand fluttering. Also later in the season he experimented with a glove partly for the cold weather in Denver but also to improve his grip generally. Brady actually looked like the same player as always to me although both players failed to get their teams to the Super Bowl.

Actually my point during my entire post was that you don't invest high draft picks in guards. I didn't attempt to address success rates. Agree with you on Levitre although I think that's a coin flip at best.

You've convinced me and I've done a complete 180. The Bills should pursue Randy Moss when he becomes a free agent.

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Thanks Hopeful. Danny Watkins was also drafted in the first round, 24th overall in the 2011 draft. So far he has been a bust. And I remember numerous posters touting him just as many are touting Warmack and were touting DeCastro last year. Tough, dominating, street fighter, smash-mouth, etc ad nauseum. DeCastro (also picked 24th overall) only played 4 games last year due to injury so he gets no grade. However his teammate Maurkice Pouncey (18th overall) is considered one of the best centers to come out in years (probably since Mangold), made All Pro as a rookie, and is currently a member of one of the poorer O-lines in football. Point being, center is a more important position than guard but it's still less important than offensive tackle. Point also being that you draft tackles and centers and if they can't handle those positions, move them to guard. Branden Albert (15th overall and the highest drafted NFL guard since Chris Naeole was drafted 10th in 1997) is an anomaly because he was drafted to play tackle and immediately made the conversion from college guard to NFL tackle which is basically unheard of. As NoSaint has pointed out numerous times, the Saints' ridiculously outstanding guards, multiple-time All Pros Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks (now with Tampa Bay) were both college tackles who became elite NFL guards. Again, it's usually better to draft tackles and centers. Evans was drafted 108th overall and Nicks was drafted 164th overall. They're both on the short list of best guards in the NFL. Zeitler looks like he's gonna be a good one but again, he was drafted 27th overall, the first guard drafted after 2 OTs were taken. We'll see if drafting Zeitler before Cordy Glenn, Mitchell Schwartz, and Jonathan Martin was a good idea or not. Iupati looks to be an awesome player and was selected 17th overall, the first guard taken after 3 OTs were taken Russell Okung, Trent Williams, and teammate Anthony Davis. Both Iupati and Davis have started all 48 games as pros. Iupati could become one of those transcendent guards like Hutchinson (17th overall) and Faneca (26th overall) but again, he was drafted 17th overall. People can draw their own conclusions from the facts I've presented and the fact that NFL GMs don't take guards highly in the draft. edit: I'll be pissed as hell if the Bills burn the #8 pick on a guard. At least draft the goddarned tackle instead.

I did say "all other considerations aside." But as to your contentions (which I generally agree with), IF Nix had hired a good head coach and found a viable young quarterback, many of these lesser sins would be forgiven, forgotten or overlooked.

Just reporting the news per Florio's sources. I'm not suggesting anything, in fact I think "it" would be a ridiculous idea so don't even go there. That is all. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/02/niners-making-it-clear-moss-wont-be-back/

Blue Fire and NoSaint were right. Florio's sources in the league office have leaked the terms: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/02/ultimately-ravens-got-flacco-for-seven-years-127-3-million/ The average over the seven years is $18.19 million. By the last few seasons of the deal, there’s a chance that 10 or more quarterbacks will be making as much or more per year. Even if the Ravens had been offering $18 million per year last August, they would have had Flacco under contract through 2016. He’s now under contract through 2018, at roughly the same average.

Excellent point. In pro football the vast majority of games are close. In college football it's very different, and the season is shorter and careers are shorter. There's probably a lot of posters here who don't appreciate that you pointed this out.

I realize I've been contradicting myself. The one position I am vehemently against drafting highly is guard. Other than THAT, it's about individuals, not positions.

We will. But that Bengals-Texans game wasn't very promising. The Texans took away AJ Green and Dalton was incapable of getting the other skill players involved in the offense. At least that's how I remember the game. And every time I've seen him it seems like it's AJ Green or nothing. Kinda similar to Matthew Stafford and Megatron. One-trick ponies.

Regarding Wilson, I meant what I wrote from the standpoint that Wilson is now gone so IF the hole was filled, it was only temporarily filled. A technicality perhaps.

Now that everyone else has taken a poke at you, it's my turn. If you had written OG instead of OT, I might agree with your statement. To all, how many guards have been: 1) Highly drafted and 2) Had a significant impact on the fortunes of their teams? Back to your post, you're dead wrong about OTs. Even guys who've not yet fulfilled their promise like Trent Williams and Russell Okung are starting to find their footing and are integral parts of their team's successes.

I disagree with about one out of every 200 or so of your posts. However it seems like you're building your argument atop statistics. How much have you actually watched Dalton play? What did you think of his performance against the Texans in the playoffs this year? I agree wholeheartedly with Ramius that Dalton is at best gonna be a Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer QB. IMO (and I'll gladly admit if he proves me wrong) that Dalton is incapable of putting a team on his shoulders as the truly great QBs can.