San Jose Bills Fan

I knew the makers of the movie Draft Day had decided to shift the location to Cleveland from Buffalo but I didn't know the reason: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/05/bills-lose-to-browns-in-high-stakes-off-field-competition/ “At the end of the day, it was a money thing,” said Tim Clark, head of the Buffalo Niagara Film Commission. “I think [ivan] Reitman really wanted to shoot here, but it just came down to the cost factor. What we were told is that the Cleveland incentives were better. The movie was switched to Ohio because of money. Filming in Cleveland resulted in better tax incentives. I'm guessing most of the tax stuff was at the state level though I suppose it's possible that the county taxes/fees entered into the decision too. Either way, a damn shame. p.s.-- I did a search for the previous thread on this topic (Cleveland, movie, Draft Day in titles) but couldn't find it. Please merge as you find appropriate.

Yes but he's a Big Ash fella. Nix likes those kind of guys.

You were doing a nice job of constructing your point until you invoked ESPN. Yep. As others have said there need to be a few more options. Complying with the original poll/post, I didn't vote but if forced to choose I'd say we're gonna be good this year.

Don't do that. That would be a mistake…. putting the number zero on your back. A Flutie AND a Johnson jersey? I hope you keep them at opposite ends of the hangar rod.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is but my full take on the situation includes my comments later in the thread. 1) Did/have the Bills done what is necessary to return the player to good health ASAP? …. To the first point I'm sure the team's and player's objectives go hand-in-hand in this case and that they have/will act in their best interests, whatever that is. Presumably sooner is better and the surgery if necessary has already been performed. So I'm speculating in this case that their interests are common. Maybe so maybe not. But that's my speculation. BTW, the only plausible scenario right now where the team and player are at odds is if it's a case where one side feels surgery is the best option while the other side feels that rest and rehab (treatment) is the best option. Presuming that both sides are happy with the previous surgery and that this current issue is very similar to the previous one, one could presume that both team and player will take the same road this time around. I would be surprised if the team and player are at odds on this but maybe they are.

Clabo was untradeable because his contract was untradeable. He was just entering the second year of that 5 year $25 million contract mentioned upthread. Even as a free agent unencumbered by a big contract he lingered on the open market for a long time. You are correct sir! I have much to be humble about…. also I'm thinking the new regime will know their business better than the last regime.

No. Thank you for authoring that expression. I'm gonna have to steal it from time to time. Dark. But funny! Yeah I was gonna post something similar to what swnybillsfan posted. The Bills are a business so to continue on with the allegory, their job is to sell Kool-Aid. They're not pulling the wool over people's eyes so much as we the fans hope for the best and choose optimism. At least some of us do.

There are two relevant issues regarding Kyle Williams. 1) Did/have the Bills done what is necessary to return the player to good health ASAP? 2) What if any obligation does the team have in disclosing his physical status to those outside the team? To the first point I'm sure the team's and player's objectives go hand-in-hand in this case and that they have/will act in their best interests, whatever that is. Presumably sooner is better and the surgery if necessary has already been performed. To the second point, it's debatable whether the team has any obligation to keep media and fans apprised. The NFL is strict about injury reporting during the season but there are no rules governing injury disclosure during the offseason that I'm aware of. Also the new regime seems to be pretty tight-lipped about everything so even though I don't think there's any competitive advantage to be gained by keeping Williams' health status a secret it wouldn't surprise me if the Bills prefer not to talk about it. Hopefully Chris Brown will respond to the queries originating here. Possibly one of the reporters who covers the team will press the question.

Well your post is consistent with what I said earlier about the NFL's bias towards corporate and high-end customers. And yes the NFL has a problem with catering to that segment of their market at the expense of the low-end of their market. Their solution to the high price of attending games is to provide more accoutrements as you point out, not scaling back ticket prices and increasing seating capacities. More wi-fi, more hi-def jumbotrons, etc. As I pointed out earlier, stadiums already have gotten smaller as more seats have been devoted to high-end customers by way of luxury seating so we've moved incrementally towards Schramm's vision. One of the unspoken subtexts of all of this is the NFL's concern about fan behavior and how that problem correlates with ticket prices. I think the stadium experience will move a few more degrees towards Schramm's futuristic vision but it'll never get to stadiums with a total capacity of less than 50,000 in my opinion. There is a synergism about live sporting events where the televised product is dependent upon the intensity of the paid attendees. The televised product would suffer if the critical mass of howling fans dipped below a certain level.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

If you check you might find that you're very wrong about this.

Hmmm. Would you consider "Negatron?" Another round for the house! Put it on my tab!

There's another Bills receiving duo which deserves serious consideration from a talent standpoint although due to circumstances their production as Bills was minimal. Basically the Bills had horrible quarterbacking while the duo were here. That duo is Haven Moses and Marlin Briscoe who were Bills during the dark days of the very late 60's and very early 70s.

Yep. The sour grape don't fall far from the vine.

Never. BTW, we moved here in 2002 and never heard much about the Niners. Suddenly Harbaugh takes over and the Niners become good again and EVERYONE is a Niners fan. We like the fair weather here but we ain't no fair weather fans!

Well that would explain your accountability.

Anyways, the common point I was trying to make to North Buffalo1 is all bolded, whatever other semantics or tags we disagree on.

Ouch! Funny story and I hope it was a huge commission.

Don't even get me started on the increasing number of people who insist on saying axe instead of ask.

The bolded is the key. That and what the "limited number" actually is. Ten-thousand? Twenty-thousand? Thirty-thousand? What did Schramm actually envision? It's already happened to a degree that the NFL has gone to smaller stadiums and that the people in the stadiums are a smaller and more select group. Increasingly the NFL caters to their corporate partners and high-end clientele. Could there be a day where the average NFL crowd is 40-thousand? I doubt it but you never know. It would take a lot of things to bring the NFL to a significantly different business model.

Thanks for posting that. I would agree that a QB's success can be dependent on which team they land with but I think that EJ would be successful in any system. He has great arm talent, intelligence, and athletic ability. He ran some read option but he also played in a modified pro-style offense and took many snaps directly from center. On the other hand I think guys like Barkley, Nassib, and Glennon are much more system-dependent.

I'm having a hard time seeing Easley beating out Brad Smith.

Well by all means, explain!

Eighty-five degrees and not a cloud in the sky today. No humidity to speak of. Gentle breeze. I love my hometown of Buffalo but the South Bay is pretty alright.

Thanks for posting. Here's the deal. Teams can carry 90 players right now so it's hard to make anything from the number of additions. However the number of subtractions is 19. That's a big number. Teams will carry 53 man rosters through the regular season so already the Bills have gotten rid of over one-third of the previous year's roster…. and that's with training camp still months away. When the smoke clears, the roster makeover will be huge.