8-8 Forever?

Just shut it down. the guys don't want to play it, the fans don't want to watch it, the teams are terrified about injuries... no one wants the thing. Do an awards event at the Super Bowl bring the pro bowlers there and be done with it.

really , just what the board needs. happy 3000th post to me.. go bills. Rex and all...

the NFL is freakin awesome. stop it please. after watching many old old super bowls, to me it is surprising just how similar the game is to what we see today... yeah the guys are bigger and a bit faster, but the plays the runs the passes ... it all looks pretty familiar... its all just bigger and more media involved. yeah the top 100 players make a ton of dough, but thats about it .. after watching jack tatum/lyle alzado replays the game is definately safer than it was.. they were headhunting something fierce back in the day...

i agree, there is a method to Roman's madness. he was definately limiting the playbook this year to protect and bring TT along. no question. plus TT was pretty well injured for half the season. next year they go to the next level. you started to see it the last two games. this is all a process. its up to Whaley to get a half a dozen key guys signed , add a couple more and go from there .. "We led the NFL in rushing even with numerous games missed by both McCoy and Williams" -- very good point

Goodell is CEO of a non-profit association called the national football league, so yes, he is a "tool" by definition. the committees and members of the association make the rules , not Goodell. anything Goodell wants to do of significance , the team owners have to vote on. your beef is with the owners , they run the place. this isn't a normal corporation. I am an exec in a non profit , and I assure you I don't have the authority I had in the for profit sector. Goodell is by definition and construction a shill of sorts for the owners. and yes the owners are largely big time capitalists, and some of those guys can be over the top with making $$ . but when you pay $1B for a franchise, the league its part of damn well better be profitable . If you don't like capitalism, warts and all, the mechanism that made this country what it is for better or worse, you need to go watch soccer in some socialist country and bag american football. lament and piss and moan all you want. As Winston Churchill said , capitalism is a terrible economic system, until you compare to the alternatives.

he'll be out of the game, IMO.

last year was an awesome year for Whaley/Rex ; incognito, darby, clay, TT on and on... anyone who criticizes Whaley from a personnel standpoint is delusional... let's see what they come up wiht this year, we could be seeing 87-88 all over again when a really good team comes to gether. we shall see

leave it back in the ridiculous RW days of the 2000s .. gotta leave that crap era behind, new ownership now, new real coaches, new real players. leave the past in the past

yeah i hope Roman is teaching up one of his assistants, because I don't see him with the Bills in 2017. If we had made the playoffs this year, he'd be gone already.

What's interesting about this, along with Rex's defense, is that you can run these plays with good players who buy in and follow damn directions. You don't need HOF fame calibre players, as the mix of pass routes creates the open receiver as much as the athletic ability of the player does. Same with the Rex D, in which mulitple players' proper execution of their ONE stinking responsibility createss the free rusher to the QB. Again, both O and D schemes don't rely on winning mano y mano battles to enable success. Just 'do your job' and the scheme creates the opportunity. In the world of free agency and revolving door rosters, especially among the superior athletes, the scheme doing much of the work is critical. This is why TT only threw a few INTs as well. In none of these was the pass thrown into a tight man on man battle, where you are relying on the athlete to win their battle. The scheme created the open receiver by moving the defenders to where Roman wanted them. Moral of the story is lets go get good, smart players and creative schemers like Roman and Rex leave the big shiny objects to go play high school one on one in the schoolyard. Go Bills.

um.. no one cares.. next

Rex has his scheme. Pettine has his. Schwartz has his. they are all different. quite different and different in how you call the game with them as well, I would imagine. this is all about change of ownership which led to change in coaches which always always always results in the in prior schemes being trashed in favor of what the new coach wants to do (and usually its all he knows well) happens on offense as well: look at what happened in Pittsburg when Ben went nuts after the offense completely changed when Haley took over, -- Haley didn't just adopt Bruce Arians offense (which was very successful and productive in Pittsburg) - he threw it out and put his own offense in -- and it took a couple years for it to take off, and it has... . This happens all the time. this is why continuity is so important; and with continuity it may not work either if a ton of key guys go down with injuries. Go talk to Pegs if you have an issue. He could have held onto Marrone and his staff and you would have had no change in defense. Pegs chose not to. Done and dusted. Move on. These guys have spent their careers building their defensive ideas. and if you hire them they are going to implement them. Is what it is.

he is bad. can Ty Dunne just be the guy and get rid of the rest of them?

they should take one, just not in the the first couple rounds at least... the good ones will be gone by 19.

The reality is that Tyrod Taylor is your starter for next year. I hope we draft someone in the 3rd or 4th for sure, but T2 is likely the guy for awhile. What are the options? I don't see any with our cap situation.

+1

fdlol. amazing how so much information can be conveyed in so few words. hear hear. well said eb

sure he did.. he started dropping front seven guys into short coverage passing lanes , then Mario started going nuts. the chess match was then on, and if it was quick release and we dropped 8, the QB was screwed. if it was 7 step drop and we will bring 6 or 7 , QB again screwed. but if we drop 8 and its 7 step or rush 7 and its quick release, we are in trouble. the art form is to minimize this last situation. Its all down and distance based and what teams tendencies are in certain down and distance. If you know these tendencies, it informs whether to rush or drop based on the situation. This is defense in the NFL today against the better QBs. It works well if your corners can be left on islands (and ours can) as you have 8 guys to work with (to rush or drop) Yes , yes, the Schwartz high school "line em up and go" defense works with our personnel, assuming Kyle is healthy which he wasn't. He is the key. But remember, the better teams see the wide 9 and just run it 35 times. Rex's defense requires a bunch of smart agressive guys who can follow freakin directions. Kyle and Aaron Williams were key as they are our leaders and smart guys on defense. We lost them both. Maybe Rex should have just gone back to Schwartz' 9 wide when the Williams' went down, but (a) not sure he knows how to coach it and (b) not sure that would have worked either with both Williams' out. Is what it is. Remember, Pegs brought all of this on by driving Marrone out (and then of course Schwatz with him, new HC always bring in their own guys), Marrone was smart to put exit provisions in his deal in the event of RWs demise. In comes Rex with a defense he's been running forever, this is what Pegs (who saved the franchise by the way) and by extension, we all bought into. Deal with it. Don't like it, go root for a team with an owner who's got some miles left on him (RIP Ralph) and you won't have all this turmoil.

Get Harvin back and healthy. Screw Manziel, he is shiny object not an NFL QB. T2 is a humble, dynamic talent who did extremely well with one hand tied behind his back playbook-wise. Better option: Give me a healthy Harvin and #23 Williams ; that's the kind of additions we need.

Wentz won't be there. Not a chance. Both Goff and Wentz will be be long gone by 19 unless they stink up the combine, which they won't. No QB until maybe 3rd round. We need guys who will get us deep into the playoffs in the next 12 months in this draft. No savior QB for us in this draft. Plus the QB crop is crap this year so only getting a dev guy no matter who's there when we draft. Is what it is. Move on. T2 is the guy. Get on board people.

no way we are drafting D in the first round . we don't need a great defense, just an unpredictable one, and Rex's scheme, not the players, gives you that. Rex on D is like Chan on offense, the scheme is the value, not the players. we need good smart players on defense, We need a great players on offense in today's NFL. With very few exceptions, great offense beats great defense these days in the NFL. Rules are set up that way. If you can't score more than 25-30 points a game , you are going nowhere these days...

Not obvious to me. Two years and out? Come on , give me a break. So if a totally new offense, defense and QB doesn't get you in the playoffs by end of year 2 you flush the coaching staff and start over? don't think so, a lot can happen to tank a season, what if TT gets hurt week 4 , EJ is so so, and we go with the guy we draft this year and he is Ok for a rookie. Flush the coaching staff, start over? Remember Pegs started this Rex new defense thing by shoving Marrone/Schwartz out. He needs to stick with his hand picked guy for more than 2 years no matter what unless the players quit on Rex , which they won't do bc the guy is loved by the players. Poor bruised Bills fans. Lost the ability to reason this out. I like this team bc it has a focus on offense now, offense wins in the NFL now. Screw the defense, the rules are so twisted to favor offense that you need to put your resources into offense more than defense. and they have done that. Go sign Glenn, Incognito, and Gilmore ; cut Mario/McFumble, they are leftovers from the Ralph loser regime and lets move forward and get a WR, RT and dev QB in the draft. Defense will only take you so far. Denver about to find that out next Sunday.

nfl cheerleaders are a bad idea... i like the Panthers drum line idea better... those guys can really play. you feel like you're at a Grambling-Morgan State game. pretty cool

This is the way to go. TT was worth 10M this year, they paid him what? 2M, so 8M in the bank, they pay him another what $2M next year and he goes lights out, he was worth $15m, so your bank is now over $20m. As Bandit says, you transition him at 19m (maybe 5m more than worth, now we're down to $15m in teh bank) , then match at $15-20m any other offer or extend him mid season; you're ahead of the game money wise for the best parts of his career. Net net, if he plays well, he's not going anywhere, and financially it will have worked out to the Bills. If he sucks next year, its see ya later or he signs for much less or this years drafted QB steps in (or maybe EJ, bc he ain't goin anywhere either. Russell Wilson's math is similar. Seattle grossly underpaid him for 3 years and is now grossly overpaying him (sort of) for 3 years, it all works out, as long as you don't fire your $$ gun until you are sure this is the guy....

works for me. Go T2. 10+ wins next year