8-8 Forever?

they do know what they are doing. can we all just come back in a few years when they are done fixing the team? don't televise the games, nothing. too hard to watch a minor league franchise get dragged around the field by the rest of the league.

we need to lose out and draft Luck. simple. and you know what, they probably will. phins, Jets and Pats all getting better. we are about the same.

the great attitude part is key . as the Bills are likely to open about 2-6, need to have good attitude to put up with that. I want guys who throw things around the locker room when they lose.

Of course they do. These guys do not want to be in f ing WNY if they can get similar $$$ in a place they actually want to be living in/playing in 6 months of the year. Bills are a small market team with a small market organization and small market goals. Teams like the Eagles, etc. are trying to win a title. Bills are trying to keep from opening 0 - 8 again. If you are a pro player and you have to pick where to spend your 6 to 7 year NFL career and the money is the same (and it is with the new CBA, everyone can match whatever the Bills offer) you do not sign with the Bills. We have to pray guys like Wrotto, Easley, Dareus, Merriman and Danny Batten can play and stay healthy. They are all we are likely to have. Same old Bills . Looks like the same old Bills to me. Out of their league. Again. Can we move to the NFC West where the competition isn't so good and talented and well organized/coached? Bills = Kansas City Royals.

HOpe u r right

Bills lose out vs Pats and Jets no matter who does what. That is a given. Just chalk those losses up right now. That is the easy part to project. Denver, Redskins and a couple others are win possibilities, but no shot at Cowboys, Giants, Eagles, Chargers. So that is 8 losses right there. A few key injuries with no good 2nd stringers, so you Split the rest and 4 and 12 again. Yeah, that's about right. Better this year but not dramatically. Remember, these guys opened 0 - 8 last year so ANYTHing is an improvement.

they simply do not have the horses. poz, whitner,, pretty average players. gotta spend the money this year, might as well spend it on real talent

Good. Let the Andrew Luck competition begin. We need to go about 2-14 this year to get him. No free agents, plus a half a dozen key injuries and we are there. A good start. It would be a crying shame to go 6-10 and miss out on this kid. He will change the face of some franchise for 10 years.

oh, please. think it through. Ralph pays a hefty rent to use the Ralph for games. The taxes used to upkeep the Ralph are more than offset by the rent the team pays to use the stadium. THE PEOPLE make money off the stadium. Man, bills fans are not too bright. Further the ticket money Ralph gets from a full stadium (at the lowest ticket price in the league, BTW), which is supported by the blackout policy, is part of what keeps the team in the area in the first place. The TV money is not much effected by whether stadium full or not. Gate receipts, merchandise, parking is. bigtime. So, no blackout rule, less fans in stadium, less revenue for owner, owner thinks twice about having team in city (and paying rent to use the stadium), you take it from there... you are typical WNYer, you think you are entitled to the bills, that they are a public good of some kind..pal you need to fight to keep the Bills with your pocketbook, or else someone else will take them from you. this is america, not France.

Well said, however the Bills share of the TV contract money will be equal or greater than the salary cap. Therefore, they just hand the TV money over to their players (who generate it in the first place) and cover coaching and other expenses out of their share of gate receipts, merchandise, box revenuee etc. Ralph's problem is he has wanted it both ways, he wants the TV money but has not spent it all on player salaries (close, but not all) in the past. The Bills problem is whoever buys the team will have a $800million nut to cover that Ralph does not have today. And that means taking the team to a much larger market where enough non-TV contract money can be made to make a financial return on a $800million investment. That is where Toronto (and Canada in general as a merchandise and TV market) comes in. You are right.

Sure. Why not? Dareus will be a beast. He will need to be, since our LBs stink.

I see 10 losses in our game schedule , minimum. We will be relatively quiet in FA like always. They know they only have a few of the pieces right now, will probably take another beating from better teams in AFC West and NFC East (plus being swept by Pats and Jets again) in 2011 and go from there. they will get there, just takes good drafting, good coaching, and time (with a few lucky personnel moves along the way). Just like they did it in the late 80's. The "way you do it" really hasn't changed much. It took 3 years for the Kelly teams to really come together and they had all kinds of personnel moves break 100% their way (like Kelly being available in the best QB draft class in history and guys like Andre Reed turning out to be HOFers)...

Going 2-14 and getting Andrew Luck would be the best thing that has happened to this team in 20 years.

Fitz will be fine. Bills not going anywhere this season anyway. 5 or 6 wins, miss out on Andrew Luck, the typical Bills experience. Someone else gets Luck and goes to 3 of the next 6 super bowls.. typical bills scenario. same old stuff... good tailgates, crappy team.

I could take him or leave him. NFL defenses are moreso made by the front 7 these days. If the front 7 cannot pressure the offense, the rules leave the DBs in a weak position defending the pass. Whitner doesn't make many plays either. Seems to have dropped many balls in his career, he just makes big hits, which doesn't get you much in the NFL. He is in a nice contract spot, just like Winfield and Clements before him. This will be his last big contract, so he wants to maximize it. The Bills have never paid up for the second contract for a DB. I would be OK with that if they paid up for a great front 7 player instead. They do neither and simply replace proven vets with rookies. Most teams do that for the most part, however, so it is hard to be too critical. Ralph refuses to get caught in salary cap jail for a DB and that on balance is probably smart.

Other than Dareus, who should be awesome, a ho hum draft. Just replacing departing free agent starters with the DB and ILB picks. Typical bills, just recycling vets who want the next contract with wide eyed rookies. Nothing ever changes. Danny Batten, Alex Carrington and Shawne Merriman had better be great as starters next year or we get pounded on defense (again).

and when Ralph is gone, so is the team. I say lets get on with that as I will still be a fan and I want to win. i don't care where the team is its all just laundry to me. i believe spiller will be very good , though. I love the Bills. Have for 40 years. Until stable, committed long term ownership is in place and the team is somewhere other than WNY, the Bills will do nothing more than compete. Therefore I look forward to a regime and location change that will recharge this moribund franchise and bring it to greatness again.

yes, they will get this turned around.. will take a few years, but i think they will get it done. Of course, by the time they do , the team will in all likelihood be gone.

Why? The corner and safety draft picks are just rookie replacements for Whitner and Florence, both free agents who are leaving in all likelihood. No upgrade there. Probably a downgrade for next year as the new starters are last years backups or rookies. The LB and RB picks are replacements for Lynch and the older FA ILBs we picked up. The only upgrade is Dareus, who should be a beast at RDE. But the offense is the same/somewhat improved from last year version. However, injuries will occur, our OL and DL depth is lousy and we play the NFC East and AFC West this year, plus NE and Jets twice. There's 8 to 10 losses right there (Pats and Jets twice (4), KC (5), SD (6), Giants (7), Eagles (8) , Cowboys (9)). Maybe split with the Phins and lose a couple others and you are 4-12 again. This is pretty much the same team as last year, talent wise, outside of Dareus, who should be great. One guy is not turning this team around. The later draft picks (the little Richmond kid and the 400lb guy) probably get cut or maybe play special teams/practice squad only. Gonna be a while before this team is any good. AFC East opponents will be much better this year. Pats, Jets are head and shoulders above the Bills. PHins will go get Kevin Kolb and be instantly 4-5 wins better.

Hopefully we will improve but still lose enough games to draft Andrew Luck no. 1 next year. That needs to be the plan if you really want the next Jim Kelly. Plus, Chan does not use the tight end, so why spend a high pick on one?

Yep, and that plan is the team is sold at auction to the highest bidder. Those are RW's stated intentions. I cannot imagine anyone paying full value ($750 to $850 MILLION) and trying to make that investment pay off with a franchise in Buffalo, NY. It worked for Ralph as he paid nothing for the team and the county built a stadium for him. When Ralph is gone, sadly so are the Bills. In and open and fair auction of the team (these are Ralph's wishes) you never know what will happen, so maybe someone pays top dollar and wins the auction for the Bills with the intention of losing money in WNY. But I doubt it.

win 2 games during a messed up labor dispute-shortened season and then draft Andrew Luck. That is the plan.

The logic is that Luck is the best QB to come out since Peyton Manning, you idiot. It's like drafting Michael Jordan, even better, because he has the ball every play. Happens once every 20 years. Whoever gets him is an instant contender. The Bills this year will be about the same team they were last year. Here's hoping they stink it up as bad this year as they did last year. Drafting Patrick Peterson would be perfect as he won't add much. Or trading down even better as they get more talented but initially clueless athletes to put around Luck. they still give up 200 per game on the ground and lose 13 to 14 games. A nice strike shortened year where the Bills stink it up would be perfect. this team needs a revolutionary event. getting some Luck would be that event. He cannot miss.

That is the problem with the Bills, it's all about saving money, not about competing for the title. I hope the cheapskates trade down, get a bunch of good but not quite ready players, stink it up again but grow this season and get to draft Luck next year. that is the best we can hope for with these money first, team second franchise

I do that deal yesterday. The bills need as many talented bodies as they can get at this point. no one player will turn this team into a 8 win team.