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It was an interesting game, 1st off I hadn't heard about Kindle, shame that liked him in college. Troy Smith vs Bulger, IMO Bulger gets the nod at this point. Just don't see what ppl who were talking about us picking up/trading for him were going on about. Gotta agree with Doc, Oher didn't show much. Cody is so freaking big! On a good team like the ravens he might be really great. They really have good lbs. that one arm slap in the face tackle he made was mean. Carolina's QB group is really young inexperienced and from what I saw Classen could be the best of the group. Moore might be ok but who knows the team is young, they will grow. I am pretty sure we did the right thing not taking him though. Time will tell. It could be interesting with that Edwards guy, he looks like a player, I liked how Jaws was going off on his talent. He really stayed on the field a lot. The Car. receivers never showed up either though, so a team with no good QB and no receivers, but a pretty tough D. They might see 8/8 this year wouldn't expect better. The Raven are a good team and looked that way. Smith was responsible for most of the sacks IMO. I expect really good things from Bal this year.

I am not. I wanted the info too.

He won't be playing. maybe I have more time on my hands.

Thx Rico, I didn't know that about billszone

Farve will play and with him they may win the SB, without him no chance. And also I posted it in the other thread BF is one of the top 10 football players in history, maybe top 5. It is a privilege to watch him still. I don't like his personalty but that doesn't change the facts. I am pretty sure the Viks know what is going on with his "decision" too but all this press is good for them and it is how he wants to play it so they go along with it.

I hate our division (rivals) equally, there are reasons to hate them all 50 years worth. I would rather we were in the AFC North and we could hate the Steelers, Browns, Cinncy and actually have a better chance at the title this year (this is assuming Balt was in our spot , of course). BTW we beat the Jests last year and there is reason to believe we will do it again this year. The Pats*, I really really want that damn streak to end, right now I hate them even more than I did the %^#*ing fish!!

^^^^ what he said, even on the stupid HoF show I watched they talked about OJ, he was one of the great football players even with what ever he did after his career and where he is now. BTW JB should be #1 IMO Oh and the Farve (even if he is/might or not going to play this year). There have also been other better QBs then Johnny U. but he was a great player, Y.A. would at least be comparable if they are trying to get it done by putting people from eras.

The link above is only for the US

Oh and if someone does do what the OP suggests can people PM me PLEASEEEEEEE!

I just went into a panic! Damn it is going to be hard here in Bangkok, the government here now (they didn't last year) has blocks on Justin, channel surfing, and ustream, because of the emergency situation (which is still in effect) last year the feeds were really slow from atdhe at this point it looks unblocked. Cable don't show much, 5 games a week..... or maybe it was 4. I had a mac last year but switched a pc, how does that sop thing work for the p2p site? Is it hard to use, fast? I NEED my Bills games!!! BTW Scooby I take back my rant at you about starting threads if you know what to do and share it I was looking forward to all the 1pm (am, here)games, a thing that sucked about last year was 4pm (am, here starts) games, now I wonder if I will be able to see anything at all! If someone has sling box in buffalo and lives here how does that work?

oh and current roster ACTIVE # NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE EXP. COLLEGE 75 Allen, Sean OL 6-3 305 22 R East Carolina 57 Batten, Danny LB 6-4 250 22 R South Dakota State 77 Bell, Demetrius OL 6-5 307 26 2 Northwestern State 35 Bell, Joique RB 5-11 220 24 R Wayne State 4 Brohm, Brian QB 6-3 223 24 1 Louisville 10 Brown, Levi QB 6-4 225 23 R Troy 31 Byrd, Jairus S 5-10 200 23 2 Oregon 60 Calloway, Kyle OL 6-7 315 23 R Iowa 92 Carrington, Alex DE 6-5 284 23 R Arkansas State 73 Chambers, Kirk OL 6-7 315 31 6 Stanford 59 Coleman, Antonio LB 6-1 248 23 R Auburn 27 Corner, Reggie CB 5-9 175 26 3 Akron 54 Davis, Andra LB 6-1 251 31 9 Florida 41 Destin, John CB 5-11 191 23 R Tulsa 72 Duncan, Rashaad DE 6-2 315 23 1 Pittsburgh 81 Easley, Marcus WR 6-2 207 22 R Connecticut 98 Edwards, Dwan DE 6-3 290 29 6 Oregon State 5 Edwards, Trent QB 6-4 231 26 4 Stanford 93 Ellis, Chris LB 6-4 261 25 3 Virginia Tech 56 Ellison, Keith LB 6-0 229 26 5 Oregon State 83 Evans, Lee WR 5-10 197 29 7 Wisconsin 44 Ferguson, Rodney FB 6-0 234 23 1 New Mexico 14 Fitzpatrick, Ryan QB 6-2 225 27 5 Harvard 29 Florence, Drayton CB 6-0 195 29 8 Tuskegee 61 Gaddis, Christian OL 6-1 300 25 2 Villanova 74 Green, Cornell OL 6-6 315 33 9 Central Florida 63 Hangartner, Geoff OL 6-5 301 28 6 Texas A&M 84 Hardy, James WR 6-5 220 24 2 Indiana 47 Harris, Cary S 5-11 187 23 2 USC 36 Harris, Dominique CB 6-2 213 23 R Temple 75 Harvey, Lonnie NT 6-3 342 23 1 Morgan State 79 Hennessey, Nick OL 6-5 291 24 1 Colgate 68 Howard, Cordaro OL 6-4 314 23 R Georgia Tech 17 Jackson, Chad WR 6-1 223 25 3 Florida 22 Jackson, Fred RB 6-1 215 29 4 Coe College 91 Johnson, Spencer DE 6-3 286 28 7 Auburn 13 Johnson, Steve WR 6-2 202 24 3 Kentucky 19 Jones, Donald WR 6-0 214 22 R Youngstown State 90 Kelsay, Chris LB 6-4 261 30 8 Nebraska 25 Lankster, Ellis CB 5-9 190 23 2 West Virginia 67 Levitre, Andy OL 6-2 305 24 2 Oregon State 9 Lindell, Rian K 6-3 233 33 11 Washington State 23 Lynch, Marshawn RB 5-11 215 24 4 California 52 Manalac, Ryan LB 6-0 235 24 1 Cincinnati 82 Matthews, Michael TE 6-4 270 26 4 Georgia Tech 58 Maybin, Aaron LB 6-4 250 22 2 Penn State 97 McCargo, John DE 6-2 307 26 5 NC State 24 McGee, Terrence CB 5-9 198 29 8 Northwestern State 38 McIntyre, Corey FB 6-0 258 31 6 West Virginia 28 McKelvin , Leodis CB 5-10 184 24 3 Troy 69 Meredith, Jamon OL 6-5 304 24 2 South Carolina 55 Mitchell, Kawika LB 6-1 253 30 8 South Florida 45 Moats, Arthur LB 6-2 250 22 R James Madison 8 Moorman, Brian P 6-0 172 34 10 Pittsburgh State 86 Nelson, David WR 6-5 217 23 R Florida 89 Nelson, Shawn TE 6-5 240 24 2 Southern Mississippi 11 Parrish, Roscoe WR 5-9 178 28 6 Miami 51 Posluszny, Paul LB 6-1 238 25 4 Penn State 76 Ramsey, Andre OL 6-5 322 23 2 Ball State 18 Roosevelt, Naaman WR 6-0 189 22 R Buffalo 65 Sanborn, Garrison LS 6-1 253 25 2 Florida State 40 Sargeant, Lydell CB 6-1 187 23 1 Penn State 80 Schouman, Derek TE 6-2 223 25 3 Boise State 43 Scott, Bryan S 6-1 219 29 8 Penn State 30 Simpson, Chad RB 5-9 216 24 3 Morgan State 21 Spiller, C.J. RB 5-11 196 23 R Clemson 99 Stroud, Marcus DE 6-6 310 32 10 Georgia 88 Stupar, Jonathan TE 6-3 254 26 2 Virginia 53 Torbor, Reggie LB 6-2 250 29 7 Auburn 96 Troup, Torell NT 6-3 315 22 R Central Florida 71 Wang, Ed OL 6-5 301 23 R Virginia Tech 66 Watkins, Jason OL 6-6 325 25 1 Florida 20 Whitner, Donte S 5-10 208 25 5 Ohio State 95 Williams, Kyle NT 6-1 306 27 5 LSU 37 Wilson, George S 6-0 212 29 5 Arkansas 70 Wood, Eric OL 6-4 315 24 2 Louisville 50 Woods, Donovan LB 6-2 230 25 2 Oklahoma State 26 Youboty, Ashton CB 5-11 189 26 5 Ohio State INJURED RESERVE # NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE EXP. COLLEGE 87 Klopfenstein, Joe TE 6-5 262 26 4 Colorado PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO PERFORM # NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE EXP. COLLEGE 33 Corto, Jon S 6-1 220 25 3 Sacred Heart

Only 9 players 30 and above and 2 are kickers. This is a young team, so they may lose quite a bit. The plus side is the potentiality. I guess that is what you get when there are no players here drafted by us 8 years ago. I posted this in another thread but thought it was interesting enough to have its own. Buffalo Bills Draft History 2002-2009 databaseFootball.com **putting this up here because you have to look at the full draft IMO* I do see the point, but well, more information is better. I also think it doesn't really matter what draft slotting someone has so far as if they improve the team (of course it does in other ways. i.e dollars and future drafts) After looking at it, I think the fact we have no one on the team that we drafted only 8 years ago is a pretty BIG disappointment! and inditment of the FO but the last few years have improved. I think, we will see. 2009 Rnd Name College Note 1 Aaron Maybin Penn State for now let's say projected starter lol 1 Eric Wood Louisville tons of upside, good rookie season, fan favorite 2 Jairus Byrd Oregon Pro Bowl rookie season 2 Andy Levitre Oregon State Very good rookie season 4 Shawn Nelson Southern Miss Needs blocking skills, maybe considered projected starter at this point 5 Nic Harris Oklahoma gone 6 Cary Harris Southern Cal gone 7 Ellis Lankster West Virginia played in rookie season because of injury, showed flashes will probably see playing time 2008 Rnd Name College Note 1 Leodis McKelvin Troy at least nickel back, projected starter will see lots of playing time 2 James Hardy Indiana step it up Mr Hardy 3 Chris Ellis Virginia Tech Showed nothing so far, having good camp 4 Reggie Corner Akron good player in a deep secondary, at least verygood back up 4 Derek Fine Kansas gone 5 Alvin Bowen Iowa State gone 6 Xavier Omon Northwest Missouri State gone 7 Demetrius Bell Northwest State (LA) Project lots of upside, after last year no where else to go, projected starter 7 Steve Johnson Kentucky beat out TO and Hardy, projected starter, for a 7th good pick on paper 7 Kennard Cox Pittsburgh gone 2007 Rnd Name College Note 1 Marshawn Lynch California 2 probowls and lots of off field stuff, player with up and downsides 1b maybe? 2 Paul Posluszny Penn State starter, needs to improve and be injury free 3 Trent Edwards Stanford needs to be a franchise qb, starter, last chance is this season 4 Dwayne Wright Fresno State gone 6 John Wendling Wyoming gone but good player who started 7 Derek Schouman Boise Statehe was replaced by the drafting of Nelson and the signing of Mathews but has shown some stuff stys or goes this year IDK 7 C.J. Ah You Oklahoma gone 2006 Rnd Name College Note 1 Donte Whitner Ohio State This is his year according to early camp reports, I hope so. reeeaaaaccchhh in the draft but not"his fault" would love to see this decent player live up to draft position 1 John McCargo North Carolina State who knows, showed flashes has been bad, couldn't be traded (although you have to think Indy wanted him, must be something there) looking good at camp? I have no idea. Time to step up 3 Ashton Youboty Ohio State one of my favorite injury prone players, hope he stays heathy V.G. back up 4 Ko Simpson South Carolina bye bye 5 Kyle Williams Louisiana State wow, a great draft choice!!really hoping he fits the NT position, think he is all good if he does 5 Brad Butler Virginia why did you retire Brad? gone (another good draft choice 6 Keith Ellison Oregon State good player/effort, does he fit the scheeme? will he be cut? 7 Terrance Pennington New Mexico gone 7 Aaron Merz California gone 2005 Rnd Name College Note 2 Roscoe Parrish Miami (FL) really time to step up!! 3 Kevin Everett Miami (FL) gone, sorry to say 4 Duke Preston Illinois gone 5 Eric King Wake Forest gone 6 Justin Geisinger Vanderbilt gone 7 Lionel Gates Louisville gone 2004 Rnd Name College Note 1 Lee Evans Wisconsin best wr on the team needs to be better but not bad 1 J.P. Losman Tulane gone thank god 3 Tim Anderson Ohio State gone 4 Tim Euhus Oregon State gone 7 Dylan McFarland Montana gone 7 Jonathan Smith Georgia Tech gone 2003 Rnd Name College Note 1 Willis McGahee Miami (FL) gone thank god!! although he fits on another team well 2 Chris Kelsay Nebraska mr step up this year, not as bad as he is painted but not great either cosidering draft position 3 Angelo Crowell Virginia gone, was good on a average/below average team but I liked the guy 4 Terrence McGee Northwestern State very good 4th round pick love his past hope there is more tp come 4 Sam Aiken North Carolina gone 5 Ben Sobieski Iowa gone 6 Lauvale Sape Utah gone 7 Mario Haggan Mississippi State gone 2002 Rnd Name College Note 1 Mike Williams Texas long gone, now can we forget him finally OK, ALL THE REST ARE GONE. HERE IS A REAL PROBLEM, THIS IS ONLY 8 YEARS AGO!!!! WE NEED TO KEEP PLAYERS THIS LONG TO BE SUCCESSFUL!! 2 Josh Reed Louisiana State 2 Ryan Denney Brigham Young 3 Coy Wire Stanford 5 Justin Bannan Colorado 6 Kevin Thomas UNLV 7 Mike Pucillo Auburn 7 Rodney Wright Fresno State 7 Jarrett Ferguson Virginia Tech 7 Dominique Stevenson Tennessee

huh?

Pilsner what did you say? I was too busy looking at the avatar to read it.

God that article was not good and long the OP got it right in the title.

um..... how many ppl have told you to stop making stupid unnecessary threads everytime you feel like you have to pee Tweedledumb.

I am not surprised the Bills have cut him, he will see IR if they liked him no one is going to claim him. They might pick up a camp player to relieve him this week (or maybe they are looking for that gem hiding on some one else's cut list), unless they want to give the really young guys more practice, although that is an injury risky thing to do. They have 7 at the moment should carry 6 into the season. I see it as being everyone but Roosevelt makes the team and he goes to PS for the year, at least at the moment.

I don't like the linked article either Buffalo Bills Draft History 1999-2009 databaseFootball.com **putting this up here because you have to look at the full draft IMO* I do see the point, but well, more information is better. I also think it doesn't really matter what draft slotting someone has so far as if they improve the team (of course it does in other ways. i.e dollars and future drafts) After looking at it, I think the fact we have no one on the team that we drafted only 8 years ago is a pretty BIG disappointment! and inditment of the FO but the last few years have improved. I think, we will see. 2009 Rnd Name College Note 1 Aaron Maybin Penn State for now let's say projected starter lol 1 Eric Wood Louisville tons of upside, good rookie season, fan favorite 2 Jairus Byrd Oregon Pro Bowl rookie season 2 Andy Levitre Oregon State Very good rookie season 4 Shawn Nelson Southern Miss Needs blocking skills, maybe considered projected starter at this point 5 Nic Harris Oklahoma gone 6 Cary Harris Southern Cal gone 7 Ellis Lankster West Virginia played in rookie season because of injury, showed flashes will probably see playing time 2008 Rnd Name College Note 1 Leodis McKelvin Troy at least nickel back, projected starter will see lots of playing time 2 James Hardy Indiana step it up Mr Hardy 3 Chris Ellis Virginia Tech Showed nothing so far, having good camp 4 Reggie Corner Akron good player in a deep secondary, at least verygood back up 4 Derek Fine Kansas gone 5 Alvin Bowen Iowa State gone 6 Xavier Omon Northwest Missouri State gone 7 Demetrius Bell Northwest State (LA) Project lots of upside, after last year no where else to go, projected starter 7 Steve Johnson Kentucky beat out TO and Hardy, projected starter, for a 7th good pick on paper 7 Kennard Cox Pittsburgh gone 2007 Rnd Name College Note 1 Marshawn Lynch California 2 probowls and lots of off field stuff, player with up and downsides 1b maybe? 2 Paul Posluszny Penn State starter, needs to improve and be injury free 3 Trent Edwards Stanford needs to be a franchise qb, starter, last chance is this season 4 Dwayne Wright Fresno State gone 6 John Wendling Wyoming gone but good player who started 7 Derek Schouman Boise Statehe was replaced by the drafting of Nelson and the signing of Mathews but has shown some stuff stys or goes this year IDK 7 C.J. Ah You Oklahoma gone 2006 Rnd Name College Note 1 Donte Whitner Ohio State This is his year according to early camp reports, I hope so. reeeaaaaccchhh in the draft but not"his fault" would love to see this decent player live up to draft position 1 John McCargo North Carolina State who knows, showed flashes has been bad, couldn't be traded (although you have to think Indy wanted him, must be something there) looking good at camp? I have no idea. Time to step up 3 Ashton Youboty Ohio State one of my favorite injury prone players, hope he stays heathy V.G. back up 4 Ko Simpson South Carolina bye bye 5 Kyle Williams Louisiana State wow, a great draft choice!!really hoping he fits the NT position, think he is all good if he does 5 Brad Butler Virginia why did you retire Brad? gone (another good draft choice 6 Keith Ellison Oregon State good player/effort, does he fit the scheeme? will he be cut? 7 Terrance Pennington New Mexico gone 7 Aaron Merz California gone 2005 Rnd Name College Note 2 Roscoe Parrish Miami (FL) really time to step up!! 3 Kevin Everett Miami (FL) gone, sorry to say 4 Duke Preston Illinois gone 5 Eric King Wake Forest gone 6 Justin Geisinger Vanderbilt gone 7 Lionel Gates Louisville gone 2004 Rnd Name College Note 1 Lee Evans Wisconsin best wr on the team needs to be better but not bad 1 J.P. Losman Tulane gone thank god 3 Tim Anderson Ohio State gone 4 Tim Euhus Oregon State gone 7 Dylan McFarland Montana gone 7 Jonathan Smith Georgia Tech gone 2003 Rnd Name College Note 1 Willis McGahee Miami (FL) gone thank god!! although he fits on another team well 2 Chris Kelsay Nebraska mr step up this year, not as bad as he is painted but not great either cosidering draft position 3 Angelo Crowell Virginia gone, was good on a average/below average team but I liked the guy 4 Terrence McGee Northwestern State very good 4th round pick love his past hope there is more tp come 4 Sam Aiken North Carolina gone 5 Ben Sobieski Iowa gone 6 Lauvale Sape Utah gone 7 Mario Haggan Mississippi State gone 2002 Rnd Name College Note 1 Mike Williams Texas long gone, now can we forget him finally OK, ALL THE REST ARE GONE. HERE IS A REAL PROBLEM, THIS IS ONLY 8 YEARS AGO!!!! WE NEED TO KEEP PLAYERS THIS LONG TO BE SUCCESSFUL!! 2 Josh Reed Louisiana State 2 Ryan Denney Brigham Young 3 Coy Wire Stanford 5 Justin Bannan Colorado 6 Kevin Thomas UNLV 7 Mike Pucillo Auburn 7 Rodney Wright Fresno State 7 Jarrett Ferguson Virginia Tech 7 Dominique Stevenson Tennessee 2001 Rnd Name College Note 1 Nate Clements Ohio State 2 Aaron Schobel Texas Christian 2 Travis Henry Tennessee 3 Ron Edwards Texas A&M 3 Jonas Jennings Georgia 4 Brandon Spoon North Carolina 5 Marques Sullivan Illinois 6 Tony Driver Notre Dame 6 Dan O'Leary Notre Dame 6 Jimmy Williams Vanderbilt 7 Reggie Germany Ohio State 7 Tyrone Robertson Hinds J.C. (MI) 2000 Rnd Name College Note 1 Erik Flowers Arizona State 2 Travares Tillman Georgia Tech 3 Corey Moore Virginia Tech 4 Avion Black Tennessee State 5 Sammy Morris Texas Tech 6 Leif Larsen Texas-El Paso 7 Drew Haddad Buffalo 7 DaShon Polk Arizona 1999 Rnd Name College Note 1 Antoine Winfield Ohio State 2 Peerless Price Tennessee 3 Shawn Bryson Tennessee 4 Keith Newman North Carolina 4 Bobby Collins North Alabama 5 Jay Foreman Nebraska 6 Armon Hatcher Oregon State 7 Sheldon Jackson Nebraska 7 Bryce Fisher Air Force

Look at it this way, I am an artist have been for 28 years or so. I just doodled in HS and got in to college with a really pretty bad portfolio. I wasn't skilled. I was good with color but not that great at drawing. I also wasn't good at composition or meaning. I definitely could not make a masterpiece. People I had as teachers taught me a lot of fundamentals, it did matter and it wasn't long before my skills developed and people told me I had talent. I really just worked hard, practiced and developed my skills. I have made some things that people have told me were masterpieces some of them in my first 2nd and 3rd years of my artistic maturity. It should be the same for players and coaches. Even jaroun could coach the Dbacks. He knew how to teach those players. I also ran a couple of businesses, I sucked at math before that experience but got better, that is what practice and teaching do for you if you are a good student and have good teachers. I think Galley know what he has with this coach. Galley did a very smart thing and said open competition, (in other words talent draft position doesn't matter, show me your skills) I think he is a very creative and honest leader I would expect he has men around him that are the same. Also it is just PR to sell more tickets and a bunch of other things that are in this thread.

I'd like to see 1s and 2s and3s in here as they are the most likely to succeed on most teams, our QB is a 3rd, back up maybe a 2nd but wouldn't be great if Parrish broke out all over the place this year under the new system McCargo did decent (from what I have been reading he is having a good camp) in the past he showed flashes, maybe he just needed last year to happen to kick him in the butt. Lynch got back to the year before last, he has competition/contracts coming up, I would think pride Mckelvin will see plenty of field time so he may as well be starting even if he is nickel Hardy ....... develops (he has time BECAUSE of draft position and age/injury) We give 3 years to coaches and wide outs I think he gets it too. so does Maybin There is potentional Really we have been pretty good in the 2nd half (think players like Stevie J and esply Byrd) of the draft too but on a shtty team that is par for the course as someone has to start lol

Wang was going to (and still might) get to play during the season. Easley was likely to contribute. So that's the first 5 picks Considering that 2 that are out might be out for a while out of the first 5 picks, our most likely to succeed rookies are doing ok. If we get any production out of the other 4 (although one of them is injured as well) or any of the UFAs we are doing fine, injuries are going to happen, esply to rookies since they are young and less physically mature, the good thing is they heal a bit faster. If we get people contributing out of the draft class as we did last year I will be happy with it.

I wasn't really posting this about Maybin but I guess there was no way to keep it off that subject. I liked Torbor and think he is a solid pick up. It is funny to me you see so many posts that say pick up a vet FA to tutor the young guy but when we do just that the young guy is a bust. Maybin gets time no doubt in my mind.

Ok I will say what I will, after the 4 year train wreck that was the nightmare of coach Jarhead, I am only happy he left us with a decent secondary, but it is no surprise since that is where so many draft choices/FA pick ups were. But good luck to Bobby A. this year, I would have liked to see him finish the season as HC last year. I am happy we got De Haven back though too.

I woke up in a bed in the psych center once, what can I say Buff States Rathskeller was fun when I was in school there.

It is hard to notice a db coach in th NFL