QB Bills

Best qb ever? Maybe. Maybe not. More importantly, with four super bowls in a row, the Bills of those years would be considered the greatest team ever. And that would have been way cooler.

There are no set rules. Just need the right combo of players, coaches and bounces to win it. Teams with crap o-lines have won too.

At the other end of the spectrum is Ryan Fitzpatrick. How many times did he go to throw a ball, and it would slip out of his baby-sized hand and fall backwards? It became simultaneously more tragic and comical every time. Can't believe he's carved out a prolonged career with how limited he is physically. Kudos to him, I guess.

Are the players allowed to date other members of the team or do they have to wait until the season is over? Because apparently Shaud Williams has a huge gay following in Austria.

No offense, but you seem to have a very myopic view on this. You make it seem like the O-line isn't a factor in how teams 'move the chains or get to the qb'. Perhaps you should throw on a tape of Super Bowl 26 I think you should look at the difference between a good LT and a bad LT instead of contrasting a good one and a HOFer. If Cleveland had called up this year and offered Trent Richardson up for Cordy Glenn, would you have done it? He was taken third overall as a playmaker. My guess is no, and even though the Browns have Joe Thomas, I think that until they actually ripped off the Colts, they would have preferred that they had drafted Glenn in 2012. Its a team game, and every starting position on offense and defense counts. QB far more than others, granted. Calvin Johnson and Adrian Peterson are likely the two guys that you can say are inarguably the best at their positions. Skilled positions. If we go by your super bowl metric, how many championships have they played in? In any case, I'm all for taking Robinson at #9 if he's as good as people are making him out to be. I don't watch enough college ball to know myself. I'm looking at replacement value and I think the RBs and WRs are actually pretty good on this team, as is the defense. The QB is the big question mark but picking one at 9 doesn't seem like a viable option. The O line could use an influx of talent, in my opinion. The stats may not show it, but to me they looked like the weakest group out there (other than special teams).

I'm choosing to be cautiously optimistic about this move. Everyone loves Pettine, and hated his predecessors Wannstedt and Edwards, but I think its fair to say that Pettine had more to work with last season (Alonso, Lawson, Hughes, Robey, etc). The results certainly showed a big improvement, but its not like this defense was lights out. There's still room to get better. I guess what I'm trying to say is that its more about the talent on the field than the coaches and the Bills certainly do have enough to be a really good defense again next season.

Hahaha...classic I bet she'd be an upgrade over Legursky.

That was their identity in the media, yes. But I am inquiring on more of a fundamental level. How good are the players on that defensive roster? Did they underachieve? Overachieve? I haven't even heard of most of their secondary.

Well, then just this past year, as he was reportedly more involved with the play calling. Anyone watch their games?

For the experts out there.. How good was the talent on Detroit's defense the past couple of years? Everyone knows Suh is a superstar. Fairley, Tulloch, Ansah and Houston are anywhere from decent to solid from what I've heard. I don't watch enough of their games to have a solid opinion on them. I tried to find a decent Lions message board to see what they thought, but I can't find anything resembling this place.

Maybe he'll sign with the Bills now that Schwartz is here. I'm sure that's just a pipe dream, even with the new hire. But imagine Suh on this D-line...wow!

I would have preferred Wade Phillips, but perhaps this is the easier scheme transition. Also, how about a hand for the vaunted Buffalo media. Again, not catching a whiff of anything until it was already announced.

There's no reason that they can't easily do all of the above. The fact that they've lowered fans' expectations this much is sad. Not much we can do about it though.

I'm choosing to look at this as a positive. The longer Pettine was here, the longer Marrone could hide his own ineptitude and hold this team back. In my opinion, with our small market status and unwillingness to spend to the cap, we need to have a sharp head coach and Marrone is far from that. I think this move will facilitate a change in head coach faster. Just have to hope that the FO hits on that position next time.

No you haven't.

Great player. Maybe the best in the league. But guess who put up 8/115 and a td against him last year?

Thanks. I watch that too. Fred is better. He proved it when Lynch was here. And he hasn't really lost a step, considering what I saw him do this year. Lynch is a really good player. Despite what some say, he hasn't changed his running style or is "trying harder" now that he's in Seattle. He was good here too. It's just that he's now a feature back in a league where some teams, like the Bills, use RB by committee. The stats are going to reflect that. And the one and only time Fred was consistently the feature back, he was leading the league in rushing before he got hurt. Fred is the better blocker and receiver. Their speed is similar. They both get that extra yardage when you think they're going down. Fred is smarter and shiftier. Leadership and other intangibles, there is no contest. Lynch has a cool nickname, was a first round pick and plays on a great team that is hyped by the media. He is supposed to be better than Fred, but he's not. Look beyond the ESPN highlights page. Fred Jackson is criminally underrated in the NFL world. Even amongst many Bills fans. Put him on that Seattle team in the same role and he'd do even better than Lynch.

Fred Jackson is still better than Lynch. That fact hasn't changed since Lynch was drafted. I'd take our WRs over theirs any day of the week. Stevie is better than anyone on Seattle. They have the far superior QB and better coach. That's the difference. Be honest. How much better do you think the Bills could have done with whoever you're thinking of as the OC. Whether its Frank Reich or whoever. Remember who he was working with at QB. Manuel, Lewis, Tuel. Just let that sink in. And then remember, that this team put up almost 500 yards of offense on the Chiefs, and took the Bengals to OT, among other games. I watched the games, just as you did I'm sure. I saw TJ Graham open all season long on go routes, but without a QB who could get him the ball. He's not as bad as everyone here thinks. This season was such a wasted opportunity. They really were just a decent QB from being a good team.

What are you talking about? The original post was about how we are comparable to the Seahawks right now save for a few positions. QB was not mentioned. I said that as of right now, Wilson is a decidedly better QB than Manuel. Not sure where the confusion is.

You might be right. I agree with those who say that this was the most talented Bills team in a while and definitely was capable of making the playoffs this season and maybe even making some noise once there. But they were severely hampered by bad qb play. When you can have good days offensively with Thad Lewis and Jeff tuel as your starting qbs, you know you have some talent on that side of the ball. It just sucks that in what some people consider the ultimate team game, one position can make or break your team almost no matter how good the rest of the squad is.

No, but he's not a good qb right now and not comparable to Russell Wilson as per the op's post.

You declined to mention the two biggest things they have that we don't. A good qb and an unlimited supply of adderall.

Biggest hole is qb but a close second is head coach, imho.

Is that Ike Hilliard in Stevie's twitter profile pic?

Looking forward to seeing Marcus Mariota in 2015.