QB Bills

Only if our idiotic front office didn't reach for a QB and just stayed patient for a year* *applicable to 2004, and possibly 2013

This is so true. I've been saying that since his rookie year. The guy is just too fast for his own good. If he just waited a split second longer before hitting the hole, I'd bet he'd have a lot more success.

I'm with you here. But you can't drown out the idiots on an anonymous message board. Just do your best to ignore it.

Maybe it's preferable to have our defense score points and keep our offense off the field.

Yes, I think you're wrong. They've only gone up against two really good QBs and they didn't look good either time. Both at home. Having said that, three of their next four are against elite QBs. We'll see how they do.

Drew Brees sucks! Guy can't play in cold weather. Peyton Manning is good unless the game matters. Total choker. Tom Brady? Nothing without Bill Belichick and videotape. Aaron Rodgers has only one Super Bowl appearance. Overrated. Ben Roethlisberger? Too fat. Will probably contract diabetes soon...not worth the money.

So this makes it the second QB who has progressively gotten worse with this coaching staff. Orton started off pretty good and has tapered off. Same with EJ last year. Although he did have a good game against the Jets later on. Maybe just a coincidence. Maybe not.

Ya, who would want possibly the best qb ever to come here. No thanks. We're good with ej fitzortwards.

Haha...that's sad, yet quite funny Honestly though, if I can guess pre-snap whether it's going to be a run or pass and be right 9 out of 10 times, how hard could it be for the group of professionals they are going up against?

Fire this eunuch at halftime. So pathetic.

Of any of the former players they have employed, you'd think he'd be at the top of the list. I have a feeling things will change for DT with Pegula in charge. Especially if they drop that used car salesman Russ Brandon.

A question with a question. Fine. I'd like him to be able to manage the clock. At least as well as some kid playing Madden can. What's your ideal scenario? So sitting players because his coordinators told him to is nothing to be alarmed about? Him agreeing with them to bench Urbik is bad enough. Him disagreeing and then caving in to them is worse, if that's what you mean. Thanks for playing. Some experience? The entirety of his experience is on the offensive side of the ball. He is incompetent for various reasons. One of which is the fact that the offense has regressed under his watch. Like I said, I give him credit for hiring a good defensive staff and staying out of the way. But that's really it. Come on man...he punted on 4th and inches in the KC game. Wasn't that long ago. And also another 4th and one in that game for good luck! ...Still waiting for one tangible example of what his defenders like about him.

He was an offensive lineman as a player. And he coached tight ends and offensive linemen before becoming an OC in New Orleans. His experience lies on the offensive side of the ball. Can't see how that's even debatable. However, I do agree with you that he's not an offensive specialist. A specialist implies some level of competence. As for your second point, if he's allowing the three phases of the game to be run by his coordinators, what exactly is his job during the game? Other than deciding to punt on 4th and inches or flipping a coin to decide whether he should use a timeout.

I'd really like to know what defenders of Marrone like about him. Some tangible examples. None of this "they play hard for him" crap. Not even sure how true it is, but in any case, that's such a low bar to set. Players played hard for Jauron also. I'll give him hiring two good defensive coaches and getting the hell out of the way. But what else is there? By all accounts, his specialty is offense. The offense has added better players, yet gotten worse. Everyone is quick to blame Hackett for the offense, yet also say the defense is run by Schwartz. If true, what is Marrone's actual function here? What I've seen in the time he's been here that can be directly attributed to him: - horrible clock management - gutless 4th down play calling - mismanaging the roster (sitting Urbik was borderline criminal...the line looks so much better with him in there, as even the average fan could have predicted) - bumbling press conferences where he tries to explain some of his bone-headed decisions Maybe he's a nice guy behind the scenes. Maybe he's not. But the guy is a complete meathead as a head coach and we'll never make the playoffs with him. Such a shame, as this is actually a pretty talented team and a coach's primary function should be to get the best out of the roster he is given. In that respect, I really think he's the worst coach the Bills have had in the 25 years I've been watching this team.

Definite screw-up by one of the two. But as I mentioned in another thread, the Jets shouldn't have even had a drive at the end of the half if we had managed the clock better on the previous drive. Marrone mismanaged the timeouts. Again. Rinse and repeat.

No sir. His clock management is still awful. That end of half possession where they almost scored on the bomb to Decker should not have even taken place. Less practice time and they do better...sounds like they need to keep him away from the team more often!

Spikes is not a key cog on the field. He may bring some intangibles, but there's been games where he's played like 15% of the snaps.

The head ref was the quickest I've ever seen to announce penalty calls. Guy looked like he wanted to get out of there quick.

In lieu of Bill from NYC, who has gone missing the last few weeks, I'd like to offer up some of my own "game within the game" thoughts: 1. Marcus Easley is f'n amazing on special teams. I forgot how much of a difference he can make. 2. Aaron Williams makes some of the best diving tackles I've ever seen. Precise and violent. 3. Gilmore was very good against the run. He sometimes leaves a bit to be desired in the coverage aspect of his game, but he's a pretty good player all-around. 4. What the hell was Dareus doing out there at the end of the game with all the backups? The guy has been the team MVP this year...sit him down! 5. This game was a Corey Graham interception away from being a shutout. What an extraordinary performance by the defense. You can say all you want about how bad the Jets are, and that's what the media is focusing on, but that's still an NFL team, who is coming off their bye and beat the Steelers the week before that. 6. Bradham taking down Ivory by the dreadlocks was my favourite play of the game. Maybe season. That guy's name just sounds tough. 7. Marrone is completely clueless when it comes to time management. Yes, I know other coaches are too. That doesn't excuse it. What the hell was he doing at the end of the first half? Not that it mattered, but him calling those unnecessary timeouts gave the Jets an extra possession (that Decker almost scored on). This guy really just can't get out of his own way. 8. Just something to ponder...how do you think this team could do in a 3-4 with Kiko back next year? Not saying they should, as the learning curve would probably negate any benefit it may have. But the personnel might be better suited for it. Mario Williams was really good as a rush LB under Wade for a few games before he got hurt. Having said that, I'm more of the if-it-isn't-broke mentality. 9. We finally go for a 4th down, and that's the call? How about you just spread them out and sneak it? Marrone said there was a crease there but still. Why not go with the high percentage play there? 10. I love the way Robert Woods plays football. You need a guy with his kind of feistiness. 11. Scott Chandler...congrats on having the best TD celebration this season. Someone had to pick up the slack for Stevie. Didn't think it'd be him. 12. That was one of the most fun games I've seen the Bills play in a while. I always wrestle with whether I prefer the Bills to win going away or in a nailbiter. I still don't know which is better, but last night was great. 13. Finally, great job by all (except two) of the fans last night. It sure did sound like a home game from watching it on TV. How about from now on, whenever a fan runs onto the field, they are fair game to be dealt with by the players for about 60 seconds?

Dude can pee his name into concrete if he wants

Wow. Thanks for posting these. Can't see how they can get that all removed for Sunday afternoon.

Also, don't forget about the Perry Fewell era.

We need some new categories... How about these? Best hat? Jauron at st john fisher Best butchering of the english language? Mularkey Best beard? Chan Best impression of an extra from the walking dead? Jauron Most punchable face? Greggo Most likely to wear a raincoat with 10% chance of precip.? Marrone any others?

Where's this coming from? Hoyer, by all accounts, has played well this year. And he was pretty good last year until he met Kiko. Guy is a good qb...they didn't need to draft Manziel.