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Haha..good find Might have to borrow that one

Sorry mr dog. Definitely wouldn't want to fight you. Your arms must be massive from all that water you carry for the Bills.

This is insanity. There are probably people here who would justify if we had traded Dareus for McCoy. "He's immature anyway" "He will want too much money" "The defense was fine without him that one series" "We have Corbin Bryant" Whaley (and Rex, who actually might have had the final say) got fleeced here badly. A premier receiver just got traded for a 5th round pick. We gave up a potential superstar linebacker for a running back with more career carries than Fred Jackson. Let that sink in.

Its ok...we have Kik...oh wait, never mind.

Kiko 100%. This trade sucks. An LB group of Kiko-Brown-Bradham + an extra 9 million dollars sounds a lot better than what we have now. Serious question for the pompom-waving crowd...how much of a difference would McCoy had made to this team last year? Point being, the RBs weren't the problem with the inept running game. It was the line and the coaching. A few days later and I'm still pissed about it, and amazed that so many are thinking we came out on the better end. Not only do I hate the trade, but put me in the 'fire Whaley' camp.

I wonder if Chip Kelly has stopped laughing at us yet, especially after seeing this trade. Whaley has done some nice things here and there, but he needs to go. The Bills need a GM who understands positional value and the salary cap if they want to compete with the big boys. This guy is just winging it.

I don't want Steppenwolf in this division. Sign somewhere else, please. Or better yet, sign with Buffalo.

Didn't we draft this guy? Or was that Clay Matthews? Oh wait...it was Aaron Maybin. I always get the three of those guys confused.

This should have been the plan all along. Mario-Kyle-Dareus-Hardy Brown-Harris-Bradham Williams-Duke Not too shabby...

Barring injuries, the defense will be great again. Rex is a defensive genius. Would have loved to have seen Kiko back next year though.

This is absolutely ridiculous if true. The fact he hasn't spoken up on twitter recently makes me think something like this might happen. Fact: Fred was way better than Bryce Brown last year, and now we're going to cut him? Yes, he's old in terms of conventional running backs, but he actually has LESS career carries than McCoy. This definitely makes the team weaker next year. So much for the win-now mentality.

Stupid trade. Our running backs weren't the issue for the crappy ground game this year. Fred will outplay this latest hotshot just like he has done with everyone else in the past. McCoy won't have an offensive genius as a coach, nor will he have a good to borderline excellent o-line (with a hall of fame left tackle) to block for him. And I love how people keep saying that Kiko was overrated because of the d-line he plays with, and that Brown and Bradham might be better. Like they didn't play with the same players. Kiko was the best linebacker on this team, and he was under contract for two more years at less than a million bucks. And when that was up, he was going to be an RFA, not UFA. But yes, lets just say that he was just average after the first 5 games because he didn't have any more interceptions. Or that he sucked against the run because he took a bad angle on two plays, and leave out the multiple times he stuffed a runner in the backfield, or that the run defense was actually pretty good in the second half, other than the last game against the Patriots. It's like people don't even watch the games. Guess I'm in the minority here, but Whaley needs to go. He either doesn't have the authority (or the stones) to do what he wants, or he's just not good at his job. Just salary cap implications alone make this an awful move.

I hear you. And I'm not calling the guy an idiot. I've reserved that name for Marrone for the time being. But I'm just not as sold on him as others are here. You trade up for a star receiver with a question mark at quarterback. And the next year, you trade for a star running back because you don't have a QB who can get the ball to said star receiver so you need to go run-heavy. Which they will soon discover they also can't necessarily do as they don't have the athletic o-line that the Eagles do. Meanwhile, everyone keeps talking about all this depth the Bills have at linebacker. They have Bradham and Brown at the moment. And maybe they'll have Harris next week. What else is there? And Kiko is better than all those guys. There just doesn't seem to be an end-game here.

I seriously doubt this report. I doubt the Bills would offer him that much, and I doubt he'd turn it down if they did.

The Kiko trade is awful. This is manageable.

My ideal scenario is that this trade falls through because of this and Whaley comes to his senses.

You have got to be kidding. Other than the Hughes move, every single one of his moves can be debated. And some were downright idiotic. He was out parading "we are open to every position except QB" weeks before the draft last year. There were sensible people on this board scratching their heads about that. Even if that's how he felt, why publicize it? In any case, after just 4 more games from the guy he had anointed, his tune is now "we are looking to upgrade the QB position". It's just so amateur. He drafted 3 crappy lineman in the last draft. One of whom they were forced to start and proceeded to rate right near the bottom of the entire league. The other two who could barely see the field even though there wasn't much competition. Chris Williams is awful. I know...what a shocker. At least to those who didn't bother to google him and see he has pretty much been awful his whole career. Sammy Watkins...an excellent player, no doubt but not a lot of scouting had to go into determining that. But a bad trade when looking at it from a value perspective. And especially so when you don't have an established QB. Trading a proven receiver who had success with a crappy QB for a 4th because "he doesn't mesh with our new QB". Who is also crappy. The guy who was then benched a quarter into the season. Trading a 4th for a backup RB who barely saw the field. And when he did, he fumbled the season away. And now he trades for a running back with a huge cap number, who has benefited from a greater support system than he will receive here. The same system that had Bryce Brown running for 170 yards in consecutive games. The guy who couldn't crack the starting lineup here. And he trades away a promising young player at a more valuable position, who almost won rookie of the year and who is only one year into his rookie deal. And people are happy about this? They couldn't give him away to at least one team (Arizona), yet we send them Kiko. Unbelievable. How so many people are in love with this guy and trash Nix makes no sense, considering Nix has added more talent to this current roster than Whaley has. He doesn't seem like he has a long-term plan and just seems to be winging it.

eballs...You do realize Greg Roman is not on the level of Andy Reid or Chip Kelly when it comes to offense, right?

How about this? Keep Alonso, draft Gurley (or another RB), save 8 million in salary and spend it on the offensive line? You people realize that Bryce Brown looked like a star in that Philly offense too? McCoy has had the benefit of a good to great offensive line, and excellent offensive coaching (Reid and now Chip) his whole career. He won't have that here and when he's being outplayed by Freddie, there will be some sad people on this board. This trade sucks on so many levels it's not even funny. Whaley needs to go. The guy is as clueless as he is reckless.

Early prediction: Freddie outplays Mccoy in 2015. You heard it here first.

Assuming the Bills were this hell-bent on getting a running back, they picked the wrong target. Peterson is on the outs in Minnesota. Although they are trying to mend fences, I'm sure if Whaley was dangling Kiko they would have jumped at the idea. Peterson is much better than any other player at his position. His cap hit isn't much more than McCoy's. And he's been better than him with a lesser line and inferior coaching. I wonder if they even explored that option considering this trade came together in 20 minutes. As for the trade itself, the opportunity cost of it, when you factor in salaries and the positional value in question, is so incredibly stupid and reckless that I'm amazed at people defending it. This isn't fantasy football. In any case, it won't make a bit of difference either way until we get a QB.

I'm amazed at how he gets down the field so.. (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) Easily.

The guy is excellent on special teams. I don't know how he does it, but he's always in great position to make a play on the returner right as the ball is being caught. Would be a significant loss if he walks, in my opinion.

Makes me feel better that the anti-Stevie crowd is full of posters with crappy spelling/grammar. You guys are right though. He's the only receiver that drops passes, he's lazy and his attitude is what spawned ISIS.

No chance. Hughes might even get that much. Suh will get way more than that.