QB Bills

The Bills are like heroin to fans. They don't need to be marketed. They sell themselves. Maybe some other fans are different, but I can't think of one thing they've done marketing-wise that made me spend an extra dollar on them. Like others have posted, their efforts seem very low-rent and unprofessional. Hiring Psy as halftime entertainment last season? What an embarrassment. Not only that, but Brandon comes across as incredibly smug and unlikable. He's like a slimey used car salesman when being interviewed.

Not sure where the confusion is. Obviously Calvin Johnson is a more accomplished player than Stevie. The point is that even the best of them make mistakes. At crucial times also. What's myopic is wanting to cut SJ because he is "not a clutch player". First of all, the Bills haven't played an important game since 2004, so the term clutch is used loosely here. Secondly, the sample size is way too small. He's had two clear late drops, the last one occurring over two years ago. Yes, he should have held on to the ball tighter against the Falcons, but that was also a good play by the DB. You could easily point to him stripping the DB and recovering the fumble late against the Colts after yet another Fitzpick last year as a clutch play, but that doesn't fit the narrative, I suppose.

I had completely forgotten about the Spencer Johnson to linebacker move from a few years ago. What a horror show that was.

Calvin Johnson had a couple of key drops which may have cost them the game and now has nine on the year. So weird. I thought only Stevie dropped passes. Guess the lions should cut this bum also.

With even mediocre QB play, this would easily be a playoff team. Every team, even the elite ones, have holes in the free agency era. Top to bottom, if you exclude the most important position, this is a pretty good roster. Manuel may yet turn into a good pro down the road, but he has ranged from bad to atrocious this season. Not sure why everyone thinks we would have been better off had he not gotten injured in Cleveland. Thad Lewis of all people came in and did a better job. A cast-off with less pro experience that Manuel at the time, for the record. Another myth is that he somehow keyed the comeback win against Carolina. He threw 5 yard passes to the RBs, one of which was an uncatchable bullet to CJ that should have been intercepted after it bounced off him. Fred Jackson willed the team down the field on that drive. The lob to SJ at the end was short and had no chance of being complete had the DBs not screwed up. Also, he threw what should have been a game-ending interception right before Stevie fumbled in the Falcons game. A horrible pass that the DB should have caught. The result of the fumble was obviously the backbreaker, but this was a more egregious error in my opinion. He's thrown a couple of nice passes here and there (the TD pass to SJ in the opener among them) but they have been so few and far between that they seem more like an anomaly than anything. Again, not saying that he is or isn't going to be a good player down the road, but his play really has been the biggest cause of another failed season this year. Whether that's his fault or not, in terms of him being ready to take the reins, is probably a more debatable point.

Wish we had hired Trestman.

Looks like he just copied and pasted what a lot of the simpletons on here have been posting. Get him even an average qb and let this anti-stevie movement die a quick, painless death.

Perhaps they meant lump of coal?

Stevie is a really good receiver. Lee Evans was also. TJ Graham is a useful piece in a good offense too. He's always getting separation downfield for anyone who's been to a game or seen the all 22 video. The problem lies with the pile of burning dog excrement the Bills have had at QB for the last decade. Some people make it out to be more than that because they either don't understand football or they just don't like the guy but it really isn't all that complicated. Pretty sure everyone would agree that Larry Fitzgerald is one of the best receivers in the game. Look at his stats over the past 5 years ever since Kurt Warner retired. Other than 2011, they're very similar to Stevie's. The Bills have talent at most positions except for the one that matters the most. Fix that, and everything else falls into place.

Glass half full: Beebe running back and stripping the ball from Leon Lett. Glass half empty: Any other play from that game.

Is that correct? We've been last in the division the past five years? Unbelievable. I didn't think it was that bad.

Getting tired hearing about the noise there. It loses some of it's lustre when fans are told to scream so they can break a sound record. Crowd noise should be an organic reaction. Not manufactured like this.

He's a good running back in a great situation. He isn't, and never was, better than Fred. That was proven anytime they played in the same game. And none of this "he is trying harder now" nonsense. He ran hard when he was here. But he was never the best back on the team. A small part of me wishes that Fred would have gotten traded to a real team just so people would appreciate his talent more.

How did this guy last until the third round with the resources teams put into scouting these days? I can't imagine it was simply his height. Not every qb-needy team last year could have been that stupid, right?

Soul crushing loss yesterday but the only thing that changes is that we gotta beat new England now (as well as the other three). Whereas before the scenarios were losing that game and getting in at 8-8, it's now winning out and getting to 8-8. And this way gives us the better conference record. So technically, losing yesterday was a good thing! (I tried)

It is, but there is no way to keep the kicking game in ot and have it still be a fair shot to both teams. Unless you make ot two halves also and both teams take turns kicking off. Which nobody wants. It's a small concession to make in order to have a truly fair chance for both teams. Ross tucker is absolutely right. The new rules are not balanced.

The guy was being facetious...he stated he was just trying to stir the pot. The fans in that thread seemed knowledgeable and respectful of the bills. Kudos to them.

The overtime rule is dumb. First team to score should be the winner. The problem with the old rule was that they kept the kickoff play the same as in regulation. To make it fair, they should have changed it where getting the ball at the start of ot is not any more or less favourable than giving the other team the ball. For example, you win the toss and if you want the ball, you automatically start at your own 5 yard line. Or 10, or whatever is deemed to be that median area. If you don't want the ball, the other team starts with it at that same spot on their side of the field. No kickoffs, just a drive start at a set point on the field. Problem solved.

Ya, man...I mean, who could forget that drop at the end of the game against Carolina this year. Or how about when Fitzpatrick threw (another) horrible late INT last year against the Colts, and Stevie DIDN'T race back and strip and recover the ball from the DB. Saying any player who plays professional football for a living isn't tough shows you either have a personal grudge, or you have no idea about the sport itself. In either case, you're completely out to lunch here, but nice try.

Can't stay on the field? You do realize he hasn't missed a game until this year. How many receivers in the league can you name that have done more with such horrific qb play as he has? Here's a guy who worked his butt off to get where he is as a forgotten draft pick. He does nothing but rep buffalo in a positive light. Most importantly, he's pretty f'n good at his job. It's pretty obvious why those who don't like him feel that way. Doesn't need to be spelled out here, but luckily it's their own problem. Honestly, some of you don't deserve a winning team.

Obviously. That's why I added the disclaimers. In reality, I dont think week to week momentum plays a significant role anyway. But if I was in their shoes, I'd be hard-pressed to get up for a neutral site game against a cross-conference opponent, with whom I share no history, with nothing to play for...and coming off a tough loss to a rival. Also, as I don't want to jinx the bills, they will probably lose this game in epic fashion to crush their fans yet again.

Presumably the perfect result. Falcons play their hearts out only to lose a close one against a division rival. Hopefully a demoralized team coming to TO next week.

I'll miss his enthusiasm more than anything. Which is an underrated aspect of the job. Can't say he was the most accurate or insightful guy though. "when you look at Ryan Fitzpatrick, you're looking at the quarterback of the buffalo bills!" That line never fails to make me chuckle.

Ideal scenario: They play their starters, we beat them in a win-and-you're-in game. The following week sets up a rematch in Foxboro in the wild card round, and we beat them again!

That sucks. I'll always be a fan of his. Was nothing but class here. Should still be a Bill.