atlbillsfan1975

What this shows is the AFC east is a tough division. When all four teams from the division are in the top 7, that proves it. Not to mention the NFC south is going to be tough too. But till you play the games you have no idea. The NFL seems to consistently turn itself upside down every year. Phins are the prime example of that.

Good thats why i said most.

Then Parker being his agent will only be a problem if Hardy turns into a number one recieveing threat. Which i think with more seasoning he could be good. But it will take all of this year and next before we realize if he is a good Wr or a guy with freak talent who could never learn the pro game. News flash most FO dont like agents. BUt they know they are a necessary evil. They good agents are usually despissed by teams. Drew Rosenhaus. Scott Boris. at some point those guys know what there clients can get and who from. You dont think the sit around studying teams with cap room and needs? Make phone calls to other teams to see levels of intrest? And i know there is an anti tampering rule. But you really think Washington and Haynesworth got their deal done in 15 mins? Come on when you sign up for a cell phone the legal mumbo jumbo is like 5 pages long of small font.

I really like TSW. I can come on here for good stats and some information i did not realize. But then i also get this sources deep from with in crap. You really think any guy that works for the Bills FO and is in a position to know about this trade would tell any guy that comes here??? Seriously. I actually know some guys from the Falcon FO, but they would never tell me crap about what they are about to do. You just don't do that. Now haveing said all that, if the Bills could get a first and third for Peters, you do it in a heartbeat. If the Bills dont think they can match Peters request, then you got to move him to a team that wants too. Maybe he goes on to have a great career with his new team. I wish him nothing but luck. And maybe the trade allows the Bills to get two more players that could be starters next year. With the extra first, and then tradeing the extra third for a player like Scheffler or Waters. At some point you got to realize that if Peters wants out, which it seems like he does. Then get the most for him and make your team better. I am not sold on the fact that trading Peters is the worse thing. He does have a history of injuries the last two seasons. And He did give up a lot of sacks. But i will blame some of that on Dockery as well. And this is besides the fact he held out last year with three years on a contract. That was just crazy. Hopefully right now the Bills are excepting offers for Peters. A kind of bidding war. Then yes sometime in the next week make the trade, so they can prepair for the draft, and maybe sign Jackson to the extension. Whatever the Bills do i would like to see it done sooner rather then later. But then what would we all talk about on here??? Oh yeah a source deep from within would leak who the Bills are going to take.

I hear ya. Was just busting your oranges. And yeah i don't want another Peters thread either. I hope the Bills have the foresight to go ahead and lock him up now. If you go down the road of offering him minimums then when it comes time for him to hit FA he will cost you a lot more then now. He has shown he can play in this league. Give him the four year deal and move on. Either way i dont see him not being there come June.

Wait a minute. Is that you Mr Wilson?????

I agree, somewhere around 2-2.5 a year for four years would get the deal done. He has shown to be a very reliable back up. And a very good player when on the field. He usually gets about 5-10 touches a game. The other thing you dont want to happen is what S.D went thru. They had Micheal Turner who played a very similar role to Jackson. The Bills would be wise locking him up to a four year deal around 8-10 total. Like many mentioned the Bills are probably working thru the 'he who must not be named' deal and the draft right now. Would be surprised if Jackson did not have a long term deal before June. Plus a four year deal worth 10 million would not be bad for a guy from the Arena League.

All that plus he is nowhere near a consistant force. Two years ago he had 3 sacks. I would not give up picks for him if i was anyone. Also Brenson Buckner , who played with him on Carolinas line, gave him a less the ringing endorsement. He said Peppers doesn't make anyone else around him better. And he is not a great football player but a great athlete. Also basically stated he was a whiner. Now Taylor for a one or two years deal getting 3 million a year i would not mind. Maybe with incentives it gets to 5. Like games played, sacks, defensive ranking, playoffs etc....

The article mentioned the other players getting a 4 year 10 million deal. That does not sound crazy for a very solid number 2 back and a guy that can start when Lynch is out. Plus he has shown to be a great third down type of guy, good hands and very quick. This is a guy i would pay. But i hope he shows up to mandatory events.

I dont think any of us have seen anything from him since last preseason. But the word from some of the Bills is Bell is progressing nicely. Is he ready to be your starting LT, i have no idea. But wouldn't mind him playing RT if the Bills felt he was ready and Walker playing LT. Walker seemed to do well last year. But 16 games is different then 3 or 4. Lots of ifs and buts in there. It really depends on what the FO and coaches think about him.

I bet Trent does too. But i bet he understands that by signing Peters to the kind of money it appears he wants, would stop the Bills from being able to sign other guys on the team. Heck maybe even Trent. If you give Peters an 11-11.5 million dollar deal. Then you will be restricting yourself for years. What happens when Trent comes up for FA or Lynch or or even next year when Freddie wants a 3 year deal. If he plays well in the two back rotation like he did last year. He would be a prime example of a guy the Bills would like to keep but that extra 2.5 million a year for Peters stops them. Guys i think we all want Peters,if he could have been signed for the right price and had gone about his bussiness the right way. He hasn't so try to get the most for him and move on. And yes i understand the risk of rookies and all. But there are a lot of first day drafted LT in the league right now doing very good. Peters just might allow the Bills to build a better team, instead of being the reason they fall apart.

Excelently said. Also Ellis as DE might have progressed some too. Not saying he is the answer. But most third rounders could take a year to develope and transition to the speed of the pros.

The anology is if you spend to much money on anything today it will prohibit you from what you can buy tomorrow. If you dont understand that then you are probably one of the guys who has gotten our country in the mess it is in. In your equation you did there you forgot to mention salary cap. But nice try. Also in regards to Philly. Yes they just might pay him the money. They realize the window is closing on their opportunity to win a SB. McNabb and Westbrook are not getting any younger. Neither is Jim Johnson. So if they feel like a 'proven' LT is the last piece they just might bite on the 1 and 3 rounders for him. They have two first rounders.

Watched him play his whole career here in Atl. Was the fastest guy on the field his first three years in the league. But had absolutly zero ability to read defenses. The plays were Mike drops back looks around for 2 seconds then takes off if his first reciever isn't open. He started to slow down his last year in the league. Guy has a cannon for an arm and jets for feet and rocks for a brain. J.P Lossman the second.

Bell will probably develope into the starting RT in 2010. His strength seemed to be the only problem. And with news comming out of the Bills camp that he is getting stronger. Only matter of time

I think you are going to see the Falcon sgo heavy defense in the draft. They need a DT linebacker help and safety help. Yes they do need a TE but i just don't see Dimitrof taking a TE over those other very big areas of need. ATL lost Grady, Brooking, and Malloy. They dont have a good TE but do have a good rb and good wrs and a better then average Oline. They are struggling on defense. If it wasn't for Dcord, VanGorder, they would have been horrible.

Thats fine i will except that but none of those players you listed held out, or recieved anywhere near the amount Peters is asking for. Evans got the most and that was for 9 a year. And those guys handled themselfs the right way. I said Peters could get fat and happy just like taking a tackle in the draft could turn out to be average. But Peters did show up last year out of shape and had the worse year sack wise over any other starting LT. But you are right. Agree to disagree. 'San Diego means whales vagina.'

Buts its not that simple. The money you have to pay Peters would stop you from being able to acquire and/or keep talent in the future. Do you understand that? The number 11 pick would be about 1/5 the cost of Peters. And sure there is some risk there. But there is also some risk that once Peters gets his paycheck, he will become fat and happy. And turn into an average at best LT, getting paid like the best. I'll personally take my chances with the rookie. And i base that solely on how Peters has conducted himself over the last year.

I will take an average tackle that is a good team guy. Over an overrated devisive LT any day. Sorry but Peters has turned into his own worst enemy. Do you think he is worth 11.5 million a year??? And are you ready for the day when his contract will proclude you from being able to sign another one of your players??? Maybe McKelvin or Lynch in a few years??? Sorry but the deal Peters wants the Bills can't give. If you think that is being cheap, just remember that the next time your kids come to you for money, and you dont have it. Or when you go out car shopping and really want the BMW but it would cause you to not be able to have other things in your life. Like maybe insurance or pay for your mortgage. Sorry but Ralph isn't being cheap here.

I think there will be atleast two teams. Detroit and Philly. Graham is reporting in the other thread that he thinks a first and a third could be traded for Peters. If this is the case then Bills have all the flexibilty to make the Scheffler trade a reality. But will take a 3rd and a 5th.Which would work out great. Get a starter ready TE with a third. Fith rounders are a crap shoot and usually take two years to develope into a true starter if ever. There are a few exceptions to that.

No. LT would be a bigger need then a DTor TE in the first. You would have to take an oline man in the first. Definetly not a TE. A TE is more or less a luxury item. It would be a pick if you felt like that was the last piece to the puzzle. Bills are missing a few bigger pieces. Now what i would do is trade your third rounder (from Peters trade)and a fith for Schefler. 1a-Best LT-Oher 1b-Best OLB,DE,orDT-Mathews,Ayer, or Jerry 2-Interior Olineman-Robinson 3-Best OLB orDE left on the board and which ever you didn't take in the first. 3b-trade that pick and 5th for Schefler. 4-probably go for a 'raw' Safety prospect here. Bryan Scott is ok but definetly not the longterm solution 6and7- best players left. Thats what i would like to see. But all of this is contingent upon the Bills getting the trade done soon for Peters. So they could pull of the Schefler trade.

I think we started to see the Colts decline last year. Not to mention Dungy leaving. I think he saw that the end was near for them. Jags are a mess. They do not have a qb. Oline is suspect. Tayler left. Matt Jones wasn't an integral part but still was a wasted first rounder. There D is still good but isn't what it was with Stroud in the middle. That leaves Tennesse. Very good defense, but once again they lost Haynesworth. Kerry Collins is stable but one good hit away from retirement. They have a very very pedestrian Offense. Mix all that together and i think the Texans have a very nice shot at the division. A lot does depend on Schaubb stepping up. I got to watch him here in Atlanta when he played for Vick. The guy seemed to have it all. This could be the season he breaks out. The have a very good defensive front seven. They do need help on the Oline, and some secondary issues. But this coul dbe the season they make the playoffs finally. Id love to see them make it and Dallas sit home again. Not as much as i want Buffalo in it.

good for him. I like what the Texans are doing actually. Very quietly putting together a nice team. I would not be surprised if those guys won the AFC south. I know i will get blasted for that. But who thought the Cards were gonna be in the SB?

San Jose i think you are right on the money you go tackle with number 11. And then you let the guy play. Throw him to the wolfs. No stop gap necessary.

So who is your starting LT? A player from the second round? If you trade Peters you can not allow yourself the luxury of TE in the first. You have to make one of those two picks in the first a tackle. Then with your other one go defense. In the second go back to interior oline. Then in the third go with more D and a TE there if you want.