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    The People v. McBeane (Alternatively, comparing SF to BUF since 2017)

    in The Stadium Wall

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    3 hours ago, FireChans said:

    Topic. Title.

     

    I'm gonna put some work in today boys and girls, so strap in.

     

    To start: why am I comparing the Niners to the Bills?  Well our regime started in 2017, as did theirs. They have an offensive coach, we have a defensive coach. And neither team has won the big one.  So let's get started.

     

    HC/GM records:

     

    Shanny/Lynch: 52-46

    McBeane: 62-35

     

    Losing seasons:

     

    Shanny/Lynch: 3

    McBeane: 1

     

    Playoff records:

     

    Shanny/Lynch: 3 playoff appearances, 6-3, 1 SB appearance

    McBeane: 5 playoff appearances, 4-5, 0 SB appearance

     

    So there you have it. The numbers are pretty interesting. McD has run the steadier ship from a regular season perspective, but when SF makes the playoffs, they go a little deeper. 

     

    I started with the results, because this is a results-based game. But let's enter the ultimate hindsight chamber. The DRAFT.

     

    2017

     

    Shanny/Lynch:

    1 player still on the Niners (Kittle, All-Pro talent, 5th rounder)

    Reuben Foster (#31) and Solomon Thomas (#3 overall) were tremendous busts

    Some guys were fine placeholders and are still floating in the league (Witherspoon, Beathard, Trent Taylor)

     

    McBeane:

    3 players still on the Bills (Tre White, Pro Bowler, #27. Milano, All-Pro, 5th rounder. Dawkins, fat but an NFL starter, 2nd rounder.

    No "busts" in the traditional sense for the Bills outside of Nate Peterman but he was a fifth rounder

    ZayDay was mediocre here but has carved out a career.

    Tanner Vallejo is a league STer, floating around as above.

     

    2017 verdict:  McBeane in a landslide, tbh.

     

    Editor's note: it was at this point, I realized I needed to speed this thing up, so the draft results will be briefer. If I do not point out a tremendous bust, it is because I do not believe there was one. I also decided to quit after 2021.

     

    2018

     

    Niners

    Mike McGlinchey (#9, good player, no longer a Niner)

    Fred Warner (#70, homerun pick, All-Pro)

     

    Bills

    Allen (#7, legit the best pick in Bills history)

    Edmunds (#16, no longer a Bill, "good" player if you like scarecrows?)

    Taron Johnson (#121, good player, starter)

    Wyatt Teller (strike against the Bills bc "Cody Ford over me?")

     

    2018 verdict: McBeane in a landslide again?  I'm thinking yes.

     

    2019

     

    Niners

    Nick Bosa (homerun, #3)

    Deebo (homerun)

    Dre Greenlaw (starter, good pick)

     

    Bills

    Ed Oliver (meh pick but I guess he's fine)

    Cody Ford (shoot me)

    Devin Singletary (solid)

    Dawson Knox (good-great pick)

     

    2019 verdict: You just knew Shanny was gonna get this one. Cody Ford and Big Ed just can't compete.

     

    2020:

     

    Niners:

    Kinlaw (kind of a sneaky bust?  #14, played 10 games in 2 years?)

    Aiyuk (hit, #25 overall)

     

    Bills:

    Davis (hit)

    Dane Jackson (started a year, so I will call this a hit)

    Zack Moss (3rd round RB bust)

    Not including STers

     

    2020 verdict: I'm tempted to call this a push, Aiyuk is better than Gabe but is he better than Gabe+Dane?

     

    2021:

     

    Niners

    Hufunga (massive hit, All-Pro, #180)

    Aaron Banks (hit, starter, IOL)

    Lance (gigantic bust?)

    Trey Sermon (third round RB bust)

    Elijah Mitchell (hit, late RB)

     

    Bills

    Rousseau (hit, not homerun)

    Spencer Brown (I'm tempted to call this a hit, as he has basically started when healthy his whole career)

    Hamlin (less tempted to call this a hit, objectively I think he was not that good last year when pressed into duty, obviously rooting for him)

     

    2021 verdict: I think this has to go Niners. We have the positional value but I think they have the better players.

     

    So what have we learned here?

     

    I think the conclusions that we can draw is that our parallel team in the Bay Area has not been some dominant drafting vehicle or some league leader in success. In fact, our records and drafting history stack up considerably well against them. They have their fair share of first round busts, far more than the Bills have. And HIGH first round busts, Solomon Thomas and Trey Lance loom much larger than Ed Oliver/Tremaine Edmunds just being starter-level players. I think SF gets a little bit of a pass for their shakier seasons because of their QB turmoil, but by the same token, don't pass on Mahomes for Solomon Thomas and don't draft busts like Lance.

     

    Now we can turn to the peanut gallery. The lesser minds who have almost certainly skipped to the last paragraph.  The @Gugny 's and @BringBackFergy's of the world.


    History will have to record Edmunds as a huge drafting hit considering what he signed with the bears for. 

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    All-Pro DT Chris Jones not at Chiefs Mandatory Minicamp

    in The Stadium Wall

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    7 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

     

    At this point hard to argue otherwise, but one of the big reasons the Chiefs have won 2 SB's is that defense always magically transforms from an average type unit in the regular season to elite in the playoffs and Jones is a big reason why.

     

    So not having him in the lineup half the season + then needing ramp up time when he does come back certainly opens the door for the Chiefs for stumble a bit and drop a few games they might normally not.


    they are often not elite in the playoffs but manage to make 1-3 huge plays that win the game due to Jones. 

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