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I know I mentioned the "timeliness" of Marv's quote in another post in this thread, but I also forgot to mention the other reason why this is relevant. This whole "we are going after high character guys" is such utter BS and the fact that Marv mentioned it in his PC just further cements my image of him. As is evidenced by this thread - no one can even define what Marv means by "character", but it sure sounds good. Like a politician who is for education and for civil rights, who isn't going to cheer for that? Who says - "I want complete lowlifes on my team!!!"? GG thinks character means (if Marv is consistant frm past to present) playing hard between the whistles. Does TO not play hard? Did Deion Sanders not play hard? Did Bryan Cox not play hard? Are these the character guys that we are considering or avoiding? Would Steve Smith find a place on this team? He does a lot of celebrating... My point is - this whole "character" thing is equivalent to the CEO announcing the company will pursue "synergy". It's a buzz word that means squat. The Buffalo Bills need football players who have more talent than the other teams and they need better coaches who put those players in positions to take advantage of that talent. It is really that simple. No string of corny cliches have ever beaten a football team...

I have no problems with that, his memories are his memories, but when you write something like that (the passage in question) that is just so easily dismissed then it isn't out of line to call him on it.

The biggest showboat of all was Bruce, who actually played way beyond his usefulness to get a sack record. The ultimate "look at me" pursuit...

I find it topical because Levy seems to share a common trait with those who are cheering his return - a romanticizing of a past that never happened. You can take it any way YOU want, but you would need to disregard what was actually written. Backwards baseball caps have nothing to do play between the whistles. Marv was simply trying to elevate the team that played for him beyond their talent level. He was romanticizing that time period by trying to portray those guys as not only having superb tyalent, but of being of high moral character. In that way, he attempts to toot his own horn (I am a great man, I would only allow great men on my team, therefore I led great men, blah, blah, blah...) He should have written your version, but he didn't. Clearly, we will never know that answer, but IMHO the answer is a lot more than 1.

too bad Marv will pass on "showboaters" like Steve Smith. Oh well, Smith probably would hurt our team more with those snow angels than with all those catches/TDs/yards anyway.

what ever floats your boat big fella...

his throwing mechanics will do him... JMO, but he will be a bust.

Just a pyschology experiment. "Levy fan" fills the blank too... Maybe a visit to Dr. Phil could help you with those self-esteem issues.

would you just read the damn passage he wrote and stop trying to manipulate it into a truth? The guy walked down a hall, looked at pictures and had delusions. It isn't that hard. Maybe we should all block out the fact that Bennett forced anal sex on a woman, but maybe we shouldn't write books proclaiming his virtues either.

then I suggest you avoid his book. Your issue is with Marv - not me.

I'm sorry if your reading comprehension is a bit off today. Marv apparently wrote something in his book that was complete BS. Now we have people suggesting this BS be read to other people, as somehow repeating this lie would make an impression. I have skeletons in my closet just like these players... A few rapes, some drug abuse, stiffed people out $1000's... I mean who HASN'T had a few of these "transgressions" in their past? BTW, it is NOT a fact that Levy is an improvement. It is a FACT that we will have to wait and see what happens.

Holy crap... if you believe this crap then you are a bigger <fill in the blank> than I thought. Cornelius Bennett stuck some poor girl in the can against her will, Jim Kelly threw drinks in women's faces, partied his ass off, and stuck small businesses with the tab for his failed restaurant. Bruce Smith never participated in training camp, was suspended for substance abuse, and was found asleep at a stop light (I also believe there is a famous picture on the bench with his hat sideways). He also celebrated after EVERYTHING he did. Thurman Thomas told some poor kid to go f' his mother (or something similar)... I'm sure the list goes on and on and on... So if WM can even read, I expect him to throw the book back poor ol' Marv and call him a liar.

Still can't believe the Giants wanted him as HC....

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Is VC ML's director of communications? There are so many inaccuracies/spin in there it isn't funny. Yeah Marv, Bennett and Smith never did any showboating... Here is the money quote: "After the retirement of Kelly and with other stars nearing the end of the line, the Bills simply were not the team they had been when the Super Bowl became a virtual fixture on their schedule. It was a good time for him to step aside as a coach. " Exactly. With the team now void of Hall of Fame talent (and Bill Polian waaaaaay back in the rear view mirror) - it was a good time for Club Marv to shut it's doors. What more of an indictment do you need?

In fact, he was so in tune with them that he even paid their bar tab before SB XXV...

you say "fickle", but believe you me - he is ORDERS of magnitudes more popular today than he was as a coach.

and when I say "succeed" I mean succeed to the level of this demanding fan base. That, IMHO, is a division title and a STRONG playoff showing. The chances of that in a small window are remote IMO.

Let's hear it for high motor white guys!

Thank you dear...

Well, well, well.... Vindication baby!!!

I know, it's poor ol' Marv's dumb luck that he beat the odds... I guess THAT should be his "legacy"...

While certainly more polite than my posts, this is exactly what I have been trying to say ever since Marv was thrust upon us once more. Everyone wants to use the 4 super bowls as their proof, but they ignore the other pieces of evidence. Like the fact that he was outcoached every game, regardless who had the better talent. Like the fact that no one gave a rats ass about his assistants (which is INCONCEIVABLE to me that a team can go 4 straight times and not get cherry-picked). Like the fact that he was run out of town a few short years after our last SB. And lastly, like the fact that after he was ousted - NO ONE GAVE A sh-- ABOUT HIM. Can someone name me another "Hall of Fame" coach that NO ONE WANTED WHEN HE WAS AVAILABLE????

Geez Dave, it is awfully funny how the other team with the superior coach always managed to win that game. Didn't matter if they inferior or superior players... Yet, Marv Levy's legend lives on in your mind. I'm sure the Giants savior THEIR victory with an inferior team... too bad we have to listen to excuses for why our "Hall of Fame" coach, with no legacy whatsoever, who was run out of town (that happens to ALL the Hall of Fame coaches right?) couldn't get it done....